Guest Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Bluesteel said: this is the route the club has already been doing down since last summer, thankfully. I think we learnt from the mistakes of bringing in Fletcher on big money which meant everyone else wanted a pay rise. It does appear as though the club finally started to make a change in terms of approach to selling players and we haven't brought as many 'senior' players in recently - though that could be down to financial restrictions, time will tell. Not sure I agree about bringing Fletcher in on big money being a mistake. He was a player with Premier League experience, proven at this level and available on a free. That justified him being worthy of a bigger salary than anyone else in our squad. The problem was with allowing others in the squad to have pay rises as a result. Fletcher has justified his salary, yes his injuries have been frustrating but some have come about due to how committed he is on the pitch and from what others have said he is equally as focused in training. You could point the finger at far many others in terms of big salaries that haven't been justified and certainly have not been earned in recent years. I like the comments of Dawson shown in the OP but as others have said I fear a salary cap is a long way off. Some players might accept it but many will not want a huge reduction and will simply look towards other leagues for their big wages. The EFL would then be reluctant to enforce a meaningful cap as it would decrease the market value of their product if the best players at this level went elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Disagree. In general, bringing in someone on big money upsets the morale as the rest of the squad want comparable wages. There will be some leaway if the player comes in and is unquestionably the best player in the league/squad, but Fletcher wasn't for a long time. Harbouring the spirit in future is more important, like the pigs these days, or like our team in the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: It does appear as though the club finally started to make a change in terms of approach to selling players and we haven't brought as many 'senior' players in recently - though that could be down to financial restrictions, time will tell. Not sure I agree about bringing Fletcher in on big money being a mistake. He was a player with Premier League experience, proven at this level and available on a free. That justified him being worthy of a bigger salary than anyone else in our squad. The problem was with allowing others in the squad to have pay rises as a result. Fletcher has justified his salary, yes his injuries have been frustrating but some have come about due to how committed he is on the pitch and from what others have said he is equally as focused in training. You could point the finger at far many others in terms of big salaries that haven't been justified and certainly have not been earned in recent years. I like the comments of Dawson shown in the OP but as others have said I fear a salary cap is a long way off. Some players might accept it but many will not want a huge reduction and will simply look towards other leagues for their big wages. The EFL would then be reluctant to enforce a meaningful cap as it would decrease the market value of their product if the best players at this level went elsewhere. I know the club have been changing their wage structure so that they do not pay what they have been. It’s the main reason why we didn’t sign Hector who wanted more than Fletcher. Fletcher has been a good signing and I don’t mean we learnt from mistakes in that footballing sense. Just that we didn’t have a wage structure in place so other top players at the club were able to take advantage of that. I suppose if we had stuck to a structure and not signed Fletcher or Rhodes as a result we may have been closer to keeping within FFP and therefore competitive for longer but who knows. It was the same with George Hirsts agents but we had a structure by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 The league can't impose a salary cap, it's illegal to do so. It would have to be left up to each individual club. Maybe clubs decide to spend within their income. That would be ideal. I can't see it though. With parachute payments you could get to a situation where the clubs promoted are always those with parachute payments and the Premiership becomes even more of a closed shop. This issue really does need sorting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, prowl said: The league can't impose a salary cap, it's illegal to do so. It would have to be left up to each individual club. Maybe clubs decide to spend within their income. That would be ideal. I can't see it though. With parachute payments you could get to a situation where the clubs promoted are always those with parachute payments and the Premiership becomes even more of a closed shop. This issue really does need sorting out. Under which law? The rugby union governing body in this country imposes a salary cap doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, mogbad said: It wouldn't surprise me. People keep saying some clubs are going to cease to exist & presume it will be League 1 & 2 clubs. While League's 1 & 2 may be in the most danger it would be foolish thinking that Championship & Premier clubs will be safe. There was a bloke on the radio a couple of weeks ago who said that people who know about these things reckon up to 41 clubs could fold or be in serious financial difficulties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, darra said: There was a bloke on the radio a couple of weeks ago who said that people who know about these things reckon up to 41 clubs could fold or be in serious financial difficulties While that might be a worst case scenario I'm expecting the EFL to be down to 2 divisions or possibly absorbing National League teams that survive & operating with a North & South 2nd division with some teams running part time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Animis said: I agree with his comments. The problem is with the getting back to football as it use to be, with salary caps is that it would create an even bigger gap between the EFL and PL, as the PL players and clubs wouldn't sign up to that. I may be wrong, but doesn't the Bundeslige run some form of Pay cap aimed at the clubs overall spend on players wages ?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 5 hours ago, prowl said: The league can't impose a salary cap, it's illegal to do so. I think now we are out of Europe we can do what we want and get back to implementing sensible laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 3, 2020 Author Share Posted May 3, 2020 Just now, Ian said: I think now we are out of Europe we can do what we want and get back to implementing sensible laws And we've got all that money for the NHS too that was written on the side of the bus! Winner! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: And we've got all that money for the NHS too that was written on the side of the bus! Winner! NO POLITICS... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Ian said: I think now we are out of Europe we can do what we want and get back to implementing sensible laws Depends who “we” is. The Premier League wouldn’t accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: Depends who “we” is. The Premier League wouldn’t accept it. The Premier League don't decide what is legal and not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 5 hours ago, prowl said: The league can't impose a salary cap, it's illegal to do so. It would have to be left up to each individual club. Maybe clubs decide to spend within their income. That would be ideal. I can't see it though. With parachute payments you could get to a situation where the clubs promoted are always those with parachute payments and the Premiership becomes even more of a closed shop. This issue really does need sorting out. "Salary Caps exist in many commercially successful sports around the world. The most obvious examples are the NFL and NHL in the USA, and the NRL and AFL in Australia. The introduction in football of UEFA’s Financial Fair Play and the Premier League clubs’ new financial regulations, together with Salary Caps in Rugby League, County Cricket, French Rugby Union’s Top 14, and the Welsh Regions in rugby union, all demonstrate how European sport has recently grasped the importance of controlling costs and long-term financial sustainability." https://www.premiershiprugby.com/about-premiership-rugby/about-us/salary-cap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 If the same rules apply to all 24 teams then great but if ex premier teams get different rules then nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 4 hours ago, mogbad said: While that might be a worst case scenario I'm expecting the EFL to be down to 2 divisions or possibly absorbing National League teams that survive & operating with a North & South 2nd division with some teams running part time. The north and south 2nd division has been rumoured for a while. If only to stop.teams having to go from one end of the country to the other to play matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ian said: I think now we are out of Europe we can do what we want and get back to implementing sensible laws We could have done that when we were in the EU. Salary caps exist in other sports and associated leagues that exist in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Ian said: The Premier League don't decide what is legal and not No but they decide on whether they want a salary cap or not. The Government isn't going to force one on them and there is no way the likes of Man City, Liverpool and Man Utd would ever go down that road when they're competing with the big European clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Ive said this before since the lockdown . I hope whats happening now causes the football bubble to burst ,and the game to press the reset button. The game at present disgusts me . The greed at the top , the obscene amount of money swilling around has destroyed the game we all fell in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: Ive said this before since the lockdown . I hope whats happening now causes the football bubble to burst ,and the game to press the reset button. The game at present disgusts me . The greed at the top , the obscene amount of money swilling around has destroyed the game we all fell in love with. It's more likely to result in an even stronger elite and carnage amongst the lower status clubs sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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