The Extent Of Our Late Lapses

[York_Owl]

18 minutes ago, slinger208b said:

 

That's irrelevant...

That goes for pretty much everything I post to be fair.

[slinger208b]

1 hour ago, York_Owl said:

That goes for pretty much everything I post to be fair.

 

Furrymuff...

[Stoop]

The problem is that we always drop deep in the last 10 minutes of every game. This will always be the case whilst we have Bannan and Hutchinson in the same midfield  

[bradowl]

3 hours ago, York_Owl said:

Do you know how many points we have dropped as a result of conceding these late goals?

 

3 hours ago, Bouncing Owl said:

11 points.

 

I've counted 13

 

Stoke 3

Derby 2

WBA   1

Swansea 2

Blackburn 3

Cardiff  2

[Guest HillsboroughOwlNI]

Considering our legal dept aren’t very busy right now, why don’t we take the EFL to court and argue for matches to be immediately cut back to 80mins? 

[Bleeder]

32 minutes ago, Stoop said:

The problem is that we always drop deep in the last 10 minutes of every game. This will always be the case whilst we have Bannan and Hutchinson in the same midfield  

Couldn't agree more.

 

Both good footballers but so little forward movement when they're together. 

[Nero]

Possible answers:

 

We have the oldest average playing age in the championship.

 

We aren't a possession based team. We don't keep the ball as much as we used to.

 

We all feed off of our own neurosis. Team fans expect the worst.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Peacenocchio

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

3 hours ago, Peacenocchio said:

Possible answers:

 

We have the oldest average playing age in the championship.

 

We aren't a possession based team. We don't keep the ball as much as we used to.

 

We all feed off of our own neurosis. Team fans expect the worst.

 

 

Worryingly, I think there's something in all three of those theories, and the third one is going to be the hardest to overcome. It's happening so often now that we almost expect to throw away a lead in the last few minutes, and I'm sure the players are sharing that anxiety, too.

 

Quite how we move past it, I have no idea.

[TomtheOwl95]

For me it's a mentality thing. I highly doubt Monk is telling them to stop doing the simple things well. I hear the phrase "Sitting back" a lot but I don't think that's necessarily what's happening. Teams are allowed to attack us and I think to a certain extent there is an over confidence in the squad when leading in games. Blackburn and Stoke I think are the best examples of this where we don't play well but put ourselves in front, regardless of how good we think we might be we still aren't good enough to expect to hold on. Obviously individual errors haven't helped us at all. That is stuff that can be coached and tends to happen less when you're in good form which is why results like yesterday are frustrating.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

6 hours ago, bradowl said:

 

 

I've counted 13

 

Stoke 3

Derby 2

WBA   1

Swansea 2

Blackburn 3

Cardiff  2

You’re counting from the best result we were on for in the last 10 minutes though. Swansea we were on for 0 at 80 mins and came away with 1 for example 

[markg]

Signing players with weak mentality. Cant see it changing until we have a more strategic based approach to transfers

[robswfc]

6 hours ago, Peacenocchio said:

Possible answers:

 

We have the oldest average playing age in the championship.

 

We aren't a possession based team. We don't keep the ball as much as we used to.

 

We all feed off of our own neurosis. Team fans expect the worst.

 

 

Not being able to keep the ball and negative attitudes are not helping but for me the main issue is that we totally lose our ability to focus on the process of defending as a team when under pressure. Everyone tries to rush around and defend everything themselves. diving into tackles, shanking clearances, getting out of position because they’re thinking about how much they don’t want to lose the game, rather than on actually how to defend...
 

To be horribly honest they need to go watch how the pigs defend a lead and learn from that

[crookesowl]

Could someone do the analysis for Monk’s games when in charge at other clubs? 

[Holmowl]

14 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

After our latest injury-time collapse, I'm sure it'll come as no surprise to see that we concede more goals in the final 10 minutes of games than at any other time, but the scale of our problem is quite an eye-opener:

 

 

It can't simply be that we're tiring by that stage of the game, as we actually score more goals after 81 minutes than at any other stage of our games, too:

 

So what is causing us to have so many late lapses?

 

Is it tactics? A spate of individual errors? Mentality?

 

Whatever it is, I hope Monk is cooking up an answer, as we're in serious danger of undermining a potentially promising season with our slapdash approach to the final section of games.

 

Really good info and really hammers home the mess we make under late pressure. 35% of goals conceded in the last 10 mins plus injury time is scandalous. It is a mental thing now. 

 

We are not the first team to suffer from this. It will pass.

[Rogers]

16 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

After our latest injury-time collapse, I'm sure it'll come as no surprise to see that we concede more goals in the final 10 minutes of games than at any other time, but the scale of our problem is quite an eye-opener:

 

 

It can't simply be that we're tiring by that stage of the game, as we actually score more goals after 81 minutes than at any other stage of our games, too:

 

So what is causing us to have so many late lapses?

 

Is it tactics? A spate of individual errors? Mentality?

 

Whatever it is, I hope Monk is cooking up an answer, as we're in serious danger of undermining a potentially promising season with our slapdash approach to the final section of games.

I’d like to see this graph over the last 20 years. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

10 hours ago, crookesowl said:

Could someone do the analysis for Monk’s games when in charge at other clubs? 

 

Here are the stats for the full seasons he's spent in charge of a team...

 

Birmingham City 18/19:

 

 

Leeds United 16/17:

 

 

Swansea City 14/15 (Premier League):

 

 

 

Quite what it tells us, I'm not sure!

 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

5 hours ago, Rogers said:

I’d like to see this graph over the last 20 years. 

 

Here they are since we won promotion back to the Championship...

 

2018/19:

 

 

 

2017/18:

 

 

 

2016/17:

 

 

 

2015/16:

 

 

 

2014/15:

 

 

 

2013/14:

 

 

 

2012/13:

 

 

 

[HirstWhoScoredIt]

22 hours ago, theowlsman said:

They relax, think the job is done, drop back instead of continuing to attack the opponents’ goal, ignoring the lessons learned and the advice of the manager.

 

In short, they’re all fecking thick!

It’s the opposite of relaxing, they panic.

 

Dont learn from mistakes.

 

Dont play the percentages.

 

Dont think with clear heads.

[bradowl]

17 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said:

You’re counting from the best result we were on for in the last 10 minutes though. Swansea we were on for 0 at 80 mins and came away with 1 for example 

 

I know what you mean though we conceded very late from a winning position. 

 

Hopefully things will even themselves out over season and we'll start scoring late goals to pick up points. 

[sage owl]

6 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

Here they are since we won promotion back to the Championship...

 

2018/19:

 

 

 

2017/18:

 

 

 

2016/17:

 

 

 

2015/16:

 

 

 

2014/15:

 

 

 

2013/14:

 

 

 

2012/13:

 

 

 

I'd like to see this graph for the last 50 years.