areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 After our latest injury-time collapse, I'm sure it'll come as no surprise to see that we concede more goals in the final 10 minutes of games than at any other time, but the scale of our problem is quite an eye-opener: It can't simply be that we're tiring by that stage of the game, as we actually score more goals after 81 minutes than at any other stage of our games, too: So what is causing us to have so many late lapses? Is it tactics? A spate of individual errors? Mentality? Whatever it is, I hope Monk is cooking up an answer, as we're in serious danger of undermining a potentially promising season with our slapdash approach to the final section of games. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 They relax, think the job is done, drop back instead of continuing to attack the opponents’ goal, ignoring the lessons learned and the advice of the manager. In short, they’re all fecking thick! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Doesn’t that also mean we score more goals in the final 10 than we do any other period? Yesterday was frustrating but also not the end of the world. Monk will be aware and trying to sort the issue. From what I saw he kept ushering the team to get higher up the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Do you know how many points we have dropped as a result of conceding these late goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evaD Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Good post. Be interesting to see how that compares to other teams in the league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, York_Owl said: Do you know how many points we have dropped as a result of conceding these late goals? Enough to see us clear at the top of the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) It seems to happen every time we sling the cavalry on. It makes us more potent but then when we score we retreat and become very brittle. Edited December 27, 2019 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 And yet our fans have much of the same attitude leaving Hillsborough early. Bizarre! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrh Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 When you play to defend only one team is going to score. We sit so deep and can't string passes together because everyone is scared of moving forwards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 We seem unable to keep the ball and play the game out. OK Stoke never stopped hounding us but the amount of corners they had in last 10 ffs. Bannan's face when respoting ball at 3-2 I thought he was going to cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 We would be top of the league had the games finished after say, 86 minutes this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, York_Owl said: Do you know how many points we have dropped as a result of conceding these late goals? 11 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Bouncing Owl said: 11 points. Really? I read in another thread it was actually 2 points when you account for the fact that as well as conceding 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time, we've also scored 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time. Not claiming that that 2 points is correct, but considering the raw number of goals scored in the final 10 mins, 11 points seems like too much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, StudentOwl said: Really? I read in another thread it was actually 2 points when you account for the fact that as well as conceding 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time, we've also scored 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time. Not claiming that that 2 points is correct, but considering the raw number of goals scored in the final 10 mins, 11 points seems like too much? Sorry, mine was from the 87th onwards. Lost 11 points gained 1 against Fulham. Ta 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: After our latest injury-time collapse, I'm sure it'll come as no surprise to see that we concede more goals in the final 10 minutes of games than at any other time, but the scale of our problem is quite an eye-opener: It can't simply be that we're tiring by that stage of the game, as we actually score more goals after 81 minutes than at any other stage of our games, too: So what is causing us to have so many late lapses? Is it tactics? A spate of individual errors? Mentality? Whatever it is, I hope Monk is cooking up an answer, as we're in serious danger of undermining a potentially promising season with our slapdash approach to the final section of games. You're absolutely right, but to be honest it's saving me a fortune. I'm into that masochist thing, you know some feminist, man hating type clad in leather who kicks the sh*t out of you using all manner of lethal implements (a bit like Millwall in the 70s). Anyway, (I digress). It was costing me an arm & a leg. They don't come cheap these 'specialists', but I needed the buzz of that humiliation thing & that searing pain when whip makes contact with flesh, & leather clad boot on scrotum. I told our lass I was seeing a chiropractor (hence the bruises) to both body & bank account. Anyway, that's a thing of the past. Yesterday for instance, stood on row 8 at Stoke, glum as anything cos we're goin to win, and then suddenly, ahh the relief, we completely fall apart, concede the equaliser & then the ultimate humiliation, they get the winner. Even though it's becoming a regular occurrence, it still hits the spot. "Who are ya, who are ya". The laughing, the ridicule. All for about 25 quid. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I’ve been banging on about this for ages. We have a huge problem regarding our inability to see games out. It’s a major issue that needs resolving quickly. Is it the manager, tactics, individual mistakes, mental fragility? Maybe a culmination of a few of the above. I’m happy about pretty much everything else and Monk is doing a great job but this needs sorting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: You're absolutely right, but to be honest it's saving me a fortune. I'm into that masochist thing, you know some feminist, man hating type clad in leather who kicks the sh*t out of you using all manner of lethal implements (a bit like Millwall in the 70s). Anyway, (I digress). It was costing me an arm & a leg. They don't come cheap these 'specialists', but I needed the buzz of that humiliation thing & that searing pain when whip makes contact with flesh, & leather clad boot on scrotum. I told our lass I was seeing a chiropractor (hence the bruises) to both body & bank account. Anyway, that's a thing of the past. Yesterday for instance, stood on row 8 at Stoke, glum as anything cos we're goin to win, and then suddenly, ahh the relief, we completely fall apart, concede the equaliser & then the ultimate humiliation, they get the winner. Even though it's becoming a regular occurrence, it still hits the spot. "Who are ya, who are ya". The laughing, the ridicule. All for about 25 quid. My mate at work supports Arsenal (no accounting for taste)... anyway, he's definitely one of these naive types that doesn't really understand that football exists outside of the Premier League. I've had him over for a couple of beers and a couple of games on a nice little IFollow stream through IPTV over the last few weeks. 30 mins into his first match, he turns to me and goes "This is like orgasm torture... you get so close and yet never actually finish". Was going to keep that to myself, but considering this post... it all seems rather apt. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 There probably isn't one definitive reason, but I do think it is largely to do with the player's and their attitude. A few seasons back we became quite adept at grinding out narrow wins (think 2016/2017), but we were a better team back then. On the eye it could be a brutal, but that was a good team in its pomp. Now, we still have the spine of that side to an extent, but they're not quite as good as they once were. They've also had a couple of indifferent seasons. We just don't manage games properly. We get deeper and deeper. We give the ball away cheaply and don't know whether to stick or twist. When there's an easy ball on we swipe it clear, when we need to hoof it we try and pass it across the middle of the pitch. We then give away cheap freekicks and corners, which yesterday was really asking for trouble against a team of that size. The old adage is you can't trick a old dog new tricks. I think that somewhat applies to us. Monk has done a great job getting us into the position we are now and thankfully, results largely went our way yesterday. Still - I strongly suspect that yesterday won't be the last time we see a late Wednesday implosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Really? I read in another thread it was actually 2 points when you account for the fact that as well as conceding 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time, we've also scored 8 goals in the final 10 mins + injury time. Not claiming that that 2 points is correct, but considering the raw number of goals scored in the final 10 mins, 11 points seems like too much? Don't think the goals we've scored in the last 10 have actually gained us anywhere near as many points as the ones conceded cost us though. We lost 13 points in the last 10 minutes of games (the vast majority of those being from 87-97 minutes). Off the top of my head Bristol City and Fulham gained us 3 points on or after the 85th minute. Birmingham equaliser and the second at Charlton were earlier, on the 80th-81st minutes. But the other late goals we scored ultimately didn't affect the result or our points - e.g. Reading, Blackburn, Swansea, third goal at Charlton. So at best we've got a 7 point deficit from 80th minute onwards goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, York_Owl said: Do you know how many points we have dropped as a result of conceding these late goals? That's irrelevant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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