Chansiri

[Anlaby Owl]

8 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

What rhetoric? Chansiri's stand was pretty shabby I thought.  I can see why people like him after all the poo we've had over the last 20 odd years. But there are some fundamental things I just can't go along with. Roll on Saturday.  

The rhotoric about it (the refusal to allow coverage for a reduced rate) preventing people from listening to games.  This was all transmitted through the BBC.  Yet they continue to rip off pensioners and pay huge fees to over privelidged tail tugging tuggers.

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, Anlaby Owl said:

The rhotoric about it (the refusal to allow coverage for a reduced rate) preventing people from listening to games.  This was all transmitted through the BBC.  Yet they continue to rip off pensioners and pay huge fees to over privelidged tail tugging tuggers.

 

How are they ripping off pensioners?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I have no idea. A mix I guess. He's made a business decision - ST good. POTG - not so good. Other clubs have chosen different pricing strategies. 

 

As I say I agree on the POTG prices on the whole but his strategy has increased regulars.

 

Were you so outspoken against previous owners during the near 20-year decline with the odd success prior to him taking over? We had top six prices with a bottom 6 budget much of the time which rarely resulted in a top half finish never mind top six and too often the relegation battles were lost.

[happy bunny]

12 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

What rhetoric? Chansiri's stand was pretty shabby I thought.  I can see why people like him after all the poo we've had over the last 20 odd years. But there are some fundamental things I just can't go along with. Roll on Saturday.  

 

Fundamental as all things wrong in football

 

Gareth Bale being offered £1m per week

 

We are a drop in the ocean trying to somehow compete

 

 

[Dick_Turpin]

Just now, hirstyboywonder said:

 

As I say I agree on the POTG prices on the whole but his strategy has increased regulars.

 

Were you so outspoken against previous owners during the near 20-year decline with the odd success prior to him taking over? We had top six prices with a bottom 6 budget much of the time which rarely resulted in a top half finish never mind top six and too often the relegation battles were lost.

I boycotted when Allen was in charge. That was pretty radical. I've not done that with Chansiri. 

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, happy bunny said:

 

Fundamental as all things wrong in football

 

Gareth Bale being offered £1m per week

 

We are a drop in the ocean trying to somehow compete

 

 

We're not competing with the Chinese Super League or Real Madrid. We're competing with Leeds United. 

[Morepork]

I was enjoying this thread more when we were just commenting on DC's holiday snaps. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

I boycotted when Allen was in charge. That was pretty radical. I've not done that with Chansiri. 

 

I sometimes wish I had! I even had one of those Owls Away Cards that we were forced into back then.

[Dick_Turpin]

1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

I sometimes wish I had! I even had one of those Owls Away Cards that we were forced into back then.

I confess I reneged every now and again.

[Anlaby Owl]

2 minutes ago, Morepork said:

I was enjoying this thread more when we were just commenting on DC's holiday snaps. 

 

Me too.  Just getting angry now.  Poor bloke is throwing silly money at it, defending the club; not letting anyone have our pants down (for once)  and just gets slated for it.

[Guest LondonOwl313]

1 hour ago, ka58 said:

 

Do you ever think that the second guessing comes from no one knowing what is going on.

 

it was only 7 months ago that he announced we were up for sale - what happened with that - are we still or not - it was never clarified.

 

we know bullen is managing us on Saturday but don’t know if that’s because he’s getting the job or not?

 

that would be a good one to start - “bullen will take the team whilst the club looks for a new appointment”- that would remove one bit of uncertainty straight away.

 

i don’t dislike the bloke personally but

 

high ticket prices

 

appointment of lukuhay

 

putting club up for sale 

 

turnaround of advisory staff  / executives 

 

the seeming inability to commercialise normal revenue streams - boxes / advertising / kits / sponsorship

 

necessity to sell the ground to recover from poor management of expenditure.

 

........All means I don’t rate him as a chairman/owner. 

This is unbelievably harsh towards him.. personally think there’s a language barrier issue in that when he said the club is up for sale, people took that literally whereas it seems quite clear that what he meant was if there’s anybody out there who can do better in terms of putting money into the club that he’d step aside. He was just annoyed by the reception he was getting from fans. So i think it’s safe to say that the club isn’t actually for sale

 

why do we need to know what’s going on with Bullen. They’ve told us he’s in charge for the first game. If he’s not in contention and he wants it, why would we confirm there’s no chance of him getting it? That would be demotivating for him.. might as well leave it open, proceed with interviewing candidates and see how Bullen gets on.. which is basically what the club is doing.

 

ticket prices are a farce, think the season ticket prices and POTG are out of kilter with each other. But it’s difficult to change that now given the impact it would have on the accounts and the fact we’re still close to FFP

 

hated Jos, would imagine he’d interview poorly as no personality but his CV wasn’t that bad with multiple promotions on there and a reputation for getting players fit and organised.. lots of people said it was what’s needed at the time. I thought it was apparent pretty quickly it wouldn’t work but we kind of gave him a fair go which is generally what you do in that situation then fired him when it was untenable.

 

all the commercial stuff is basically because we can get more from Chansiri sponsoring it/buying the boxes than we can at a fair commercial rate so it’s about maximising revenue streams for the accounts... can’t change that with FFP

 

everyone is selling their ground.. it’s not like it’s actually being sold, it’s just owned by a different legal entity which has the same owner as the football club. There’s no issue since if Chansiri was to ever sell up, whoever is buying it would presumably want to ensure they also acquired the ground at the same time

 

the guy has put millions in to try and get us there, made some mistakes on recruitment strategy but most of the other wacky sounding stuff is because of FFP limitations. We’d be screwed if he left us right now as the ongoing losses are massive, so he deserves some respect  

[james o connor]

13 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said:

This is unbelievably harsh towards him.. personally think there’s a language barrier issue in that when he said the club is up for sale, people took that literally whereas it seems quite clear that what he meant was if there’s anybody out there who can do better in terms of putting money into the club that he’d step aside. He was just annoyed by the reception he was getting from fans. So i think it’s safe to say that the club isn’t actually for sale

 

why do we need to know what’s going on with Bullen. They’ve told us he’s in charge for the first game. If he’s not in contention and he wants it, why would we confirm there’s no chance of him getting it? That would be demotivating for him.. might as well leave it open, proceed with interviewing candidates and see how Bullen gets on.. which is basically what the club is doing.

 

ticket prices are a farce, think the season ticket prices and POTG are out of kilter with each other. But it’s difficult to change that now given the impact it would have on the accounts and the fact we’re still close to FFP

 

hated Jos, would imagine he’d interview poorly as no personality but his CV wasn’t that bad with multiple promotions on there and a reputation for getting players fit and organised.. lots of people said it was what’s needed at the time. I thought it was apparent pretty quickly it wouldn’t work but we kind of gave him a fair go which is generally what you do in that situation then fired him when it was untenable.

 

all the commercial stuff is basically because we can get more from Chansiri sponsoring it/buying the boxes than we can at a fair commercial rate so it’s about maximising revenue streams for the accounts... can’t change that with FFP

 

everyone is selling their ground.. it’s not like it’s actually being sold, it’s just owned by a different legal entity which has the same owner as the football club. There’s no issue since if Chansiri was to ever sell up, whoever is buying it would presumably want to ensure they also acquired the ground at the same time

 

the guy has put millions in to try and get us there, made some mistakes on recruitment strategy but most of the other wacky sounding stuff is because of FFP limitations. We’d be screwed if he left us right now as the ongoing losses are massive, so he deserves some respect  

I don’t get ‘he deserves some respect’ . Most of the issues are his doing. I don’t rate him , never have . Having said that , all the ticket prices , poor recruitment etc had been done to death. As I said elsewhere , just enjoy each win when it comes 

[Athelwulf]

 

The ticket pricing I understand.

 

It's about increasing turnover which has allowed him to spend more of his money on us.

 

It's his stubbornness and the inherent belief that he knows best which have done for us.

[mark.flem]

2 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said:

This is unbelievably harsh towards him.. personally think there’s a language barrier issue in that when he said the club is up for sale, people took that literally whereas it seems quite clear that what he meant was if there’s anybody out there who can do better in terms of putting money into the club that he’d step aside. He was just annoyed by the reception he was getting from fans. So i think it’s safe to say that the club isn’t actually for sale

 

why do we need to know what’s going on with Bullen. They’ve told us he’s in charge for the first game. If he’s not in contention and he wants it, why would we confirm there’s no chance of him getting it? That would be demotivating for him.. might as well leave it open, proceed with interviewing candidates and see how Bullen gets on.. which is basically what the club is doing.

 

ticket prices are a farce, think the season ticket prices and POTG are out of kilter with each other. But it’s difficult to change that now given the impact it would have on the accounts and the fact we’re still close to FFP

 

hated Jos, would imagine he’d interview poorly as no personality but his CV wasn’t that bad with multiple promotions on there and a reputation for getting players fit and organised.. lots of people said it was what’s needed at the time. I thought it was apparent pretty quickly it wouldn’t work but we kind of gave him a fair go which is generally what you do in that situation then fired him when it was untenable.

 

all the commercial stuff is basically because we can get more from Chansiri sponsoring it/buying the boxes than we can at a fair commercial rate so it’s about maximising revenue streams for the accounts... can’t change that with FFP

 

everyone is selling their ground.. it’s not like it’s actually being sold, it’s just owned by a different legal entity which has the same owner as the football club. There’s no issue since if Chansiri was to ever sell up, whoever is buying it would presumably want to ensure they also acquired the ground at the same time

 

the guy has put millions in to try and get us there, made some mistakes on recruitment strategy but most of the other wacky sounding stuff is because of FFP limitations. We’d be screwed if he left us right now as the ongoing losses are massive, so he deserves some respect  

Bang on.

[Inspector Lestrade]

7 hours ago, rickygoo said:

I boycotted when Allen was in charge. That was pretty radical. I've not done that with Chansiri. 

 

The ultimate sanction if you don't approve then remove your support.  

[OWLS about that?]

On 29/07/2019 at 20:29, HillsboroughOwlNI said:

Miserable sod can’t even buy his son the new shirt 

Heard its summat to do with FFP restrictions 

[A E Neuman NYowl]

I respect DC on the same way as I respected Manderic, they have been prepared to gamble there own time and vast amounts of money with a view to getting a great return.

 

In the case of Manderic he knew the football business and managed to get a 10 million pound return on his gamble and I don't deny him a single penny. But let's be honest we were a commodity and he was keen to cash in on his gain. His affinity with Wednesday finished when he sold us on,which something I don't have a problem with.

 

DC again has gambled huge amounts of money and time on this club, with potential of reaching the holly grail of the premiership and the wealth that goes with it. Imagine if we had won the play off final what a great return it would have been and again I wouldn't have denied him a single penny of any profit he made.

 

DC not as football savvy as Manderic and Initially didn't get the fan club relationship and I think some fans feel disenfranchised because of this.  I think this is something that has taken him by surprise and something he is working on,

 

It will be interesting to see what happens if he ever sells the club, has he taken the club to heart and come over for some games  or will he be glad to see the back of us. Only time will tell.

 

One things for sure he can't keep putting the money into the club that he has done since he bought us so if it is going to be a long term relationship he needs to alter his business case.

[alanharper]

7 hours ago, Athelwulf said:

 

The ticket pricing I understand.

 

It's about increasing turnover which has allowed him to spend more of his money on us.

 

It's his stubbornness and the inherent belief that he knows best which have done for us.

 

Given that we were losing around £673k per week in the last accounts I don't think the ticket pricing made too much difference really.

 

Fully appreciate him putting in so much of his own money, but I wish he'd just spend it a bit more wisely.

[Guest ka58]

8 hours ago, LondonOwl313 said:

This is unbelievably harsh towards him.. personally think there’s a language barrier issue in that when he said the club is up for sale, people took that literally whereas it seems quite clear that what he meant was if there’s anybody out there who can do better in terms of putting money into the club that he’d step aside. He was just annoyed by the reception he was getting from fans. So i think it’s safe to say that the club isn’t actually for sale

 

why do we need to know what’s going on with Bullen. They’ve told us he’s in charge for the first game. If he’s not in contention and he wants it, why would we confirm there’s no chance of him getting it? That would be demotivating for him.. might as well leave it open, proceed with interviewing candidates and see how Bullen gets on.. which is basically what the club is doing.

 

ticket prices are a farce, think the season ticket prices and POTG are out of kilter with each other. But it’s difficult to change that now given the impact it would have on the accounts and the fact we’re still close to FFP

 

hated Jos, would imagine he’d interview poorly as no personality but his CV wasn’t that bad with multiple promotions on there and a reputation for getting players fit and organised.. lots of people said it was what’s needed at the time. I thought it was apparent pretty quickly it wouldn’t work but we kind of gave him a fair go which is generally what you do in that situation then fired him when it was untenable.

 

all the commercial stuff is basically because we can get more from Chansiri sponsoring it/buying the boxes than we can at a fair commercial rate so it’s about maximising revenue streams for the accounts... can’t change that with FFP

 

everyone is selling their ground.. it’s not like it’s actually being sold, it’s just owned by a different legal entity which has the same owner as the football club. There’s no issue since if Chansiri was to ever sell up, whoever is buying it would presumably want to ensure they also acquired the ground at the same time

 

the guy has put millions in to try and get us there, made some mistakes on recruitment strategy but most of the other wacky sounding stuff is because of FFP limitations. We’d be screwed if he left us right now as the ongoing losses are massive, so he deserves some respect  

 

The final sentence of your post is something else I missed from my list and not something that deserves respect.

 

in what other business would you say -

 

“the new owner has come in and we’re now completely unsustainable as a business and if he stops pumping his own cash in we’ll probably go bust” 

 

- and then demand these actions are respected?

[Costello 77]

2 minutes ago, ka58 said:

 

The final sentence of your post is something else I missed from my list and not something that deserves respect.

 

in what other business would you say -

 

“the new owner has come in and we’re now completely unsustainable as a business and if he stops pumping his own cash in we’ll probably go bust” 

 

- and then demand these actions are respected?

How would you fund a club in the championship in 2019?