Release clause - Bruce

[DJMortimer]

Not untypically, it seems a lot of people have formed extremely strident opinions on the basis of little more than hearsay and speculation. Without knowing the specifics it is nigh on impossible to state with any assurance whether this is ill-advised or not. It seems modern society is becoming almost rabidly opposed to taking time to reach a considered theory in favour of a knee-jerk, all-in snap judgement one way or the other which must be shouted as loudly as possible and defended to the death, regardless of the niceties of actual evidence.

 

This is particularly true for those who are suggesting we should just shrug, accept our lot and forget about it. If we've been shafted for several million in compensation then we have every right to fight for what we are due.

[Rogers]

Just now, ChapSmurf said:

 

They aren't supposed to activate it; we are.

 

The club is approached by Newcastle, DC says "clause" and then they know. What seems to have happened here is that this information has been passed on to Newcastle, so they knew in advance what to do, before making an official approach. If that clause was confidential, and SB's contract stipulated such, then it's this what DC is complaining about.

 

Or so it seems.

 

I must have misunderstood the football release fee; I thought that was the figure that triggers permission for a player or manager to speak to or leave for another club.  

 

Thats why some clubs put massive massive release fees for players they don’t want to sell.  

 

[ChapSmurf]

1 minute ago, DJMortimer said:

Not untypically, it seems a lot of people have formed extremely strident opinions on the basis of little more than hearsay and speculation. Without knowing the specifics it is nigh on impossible to state with any assurance whether this is ill-advised or not. It seems modern society is becoming almost rabidly opposed to taking time to reach a considered theory in favour of a knee-jerk, all-in snap judgement one way or the other which must be shouted as loudly as possible and defended to the death, regardless of the niceties of actual evidence.

 

This is particularly true for those who are suggesting we should just shrug, accept our lot and forget about it. If we've been shafted for several million in compensation then we have every right to fight for what we are due.

 

The phrase you are looking for is "snowflake".

[WC1Owl]

2 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

Not untypically, it seems a lot of people have formed extremely strident opinions on the basis of little more than hearsay and speculation. Without knowing the specifics it is nigh on impossible to state with any assurance whether this is ill-advised or not. It seems modern society is becoming almost rabidly opposed to taking time to reach a considered theory in favour of a knee-jerk, all-in snap judgement one way or the other which must be shouted as loudly as possible and defended to the death, regardless of the niceties of actual evidence.

 

This is particularly true for those who are suggesting we should just shrug, accept our lot and forget about it. If we've been shafted for several million in compensation then we have every right to fight for what we are due.

 

Indeed. 

 

The sum total of our knowledge of the actual facts of the situation is unchanged by this story.

 

In these sorts of circumstances, it's also worth bearing in mind that most of these stories are planted by the clubs.

 

For whatever reason, and leaving aside whether this is a good or bad idea, Chansiri seems to have little appetite to play this game.

 

So the club is always on the receiving end of a disproportionately hostile press.

 

And some of us on here can't get enough of it.

[Kanye West]

 

[ChapSmurf]

1 minute ago, Rogers said:

 

I must have misunderstood the football release fee; I thought that was the figure that triggers permission for a player or manager to speak to or leave for another club.  

 

Thats why some clubs put massive massive release fees for players they don’t want to sell.  

 

 

I don't think you have misunderstood it, as that is exactly right (as I see it and know anyway). So if Newcastle made an official approach to us, found out there was a £3.5 release fee for Bruce, and then offered legally to meet that upon SB signing for them, at that point SB could talk to Newcastle and if offered the job, the release fee would be due.

[DJMortimer]

1 minute ago, WC1Owl said:

 

Indeed. 

 

The sum total of our knowledge of the actual facts of the situation is unchanged by this story.

 

In these sorts of circumstances, it's also worth bearing in mind that most of these stories are planted by the clubs.

 

For whatever reason, and leaving aside whether this is a good or bad idea, Chansiri seems to have little appetite to play this game.

 

So the club is always on the receiving end of a disproportionately hostile press.

 

And some of us on here can't get enough of it.

 

It seems like society is becoming increasingly like watching reality television shows. We're just addicted to the gossip, inanity and superficiality. It's almost like our intellectual evolution after eons of development is going into reverse.

[The Night-Owl]

1 hour ago, DJMortimer said:

 

It seems like society is becoming increasingly like watching reality television shows. We're just addicted to the gossip, inanity and superficiality. It's almost like our intellectual evolution after eons of development is going into reverse.

 

Have you seen Idiocracy? It was meat to be a science fiction dystopian comedy film but it's more like a documentary of the present age and the way modern society is heading. With the increasing dumbing down of the masses that are kept docile and amused by reality TV, mass commercialism and other forms of trash entertainment. Your comment reminded me of that film. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch.

 

[Animis]

What does DC want?

 

If NUFC have paid the compo fee move on. If they haven't say so and pursue this through the civil courts.

If it's a saving face; a sort of public chairman to chairman spat issue then fine, we'll have to look on in bewilderment.

If it's ensuring similar teams like us aren't bullied around by the PL big boys in future  - dream on.

 

I trust we've got the £3.5m reported compo. Most last week agreed that would be reasonable amount given the circumstances.

 

Whether SB told NUFC about the clause is frankly irrelevant really - unless we suddenly think football has gone back 150 years to gentlemen vs old Etonians. SB has form in these matters - look at Jordon's public comments.

[bobness]

3 hours ago, Kanye West said:

 

 

Has club actually claimed this though?

 

Last statement from the club was that they were not going to comment further, yet the article suggests the club has made this claim, with not mention of it coming from "sources".

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, The Night-Owl said:

 

Have you seen Idiocracy? It was meat to be a science fiction dystopian comedy film but it's more like a documentary of the present age and the way modern society is heading. With the increasing dumbing down of the masses that are kept docile and amused by reality TV, mass commercialism and other forms of trash entertainment. Your comment reminded me of that film. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch.

 

 

I came across this just a few weeks ago actually and I made a note to watch it but never got round to it. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Guest]

Steve Bruce knows what he’s done 

 

 

he says it’s ’totally selfish’   To be honest it’s totally disgraceful , the fact he can talk about feeling sorry for the players is really poor .. I’m not quite sure who he thinks he is having an opinion that the Sheffield Wednesday players should be feeling sorry for them selfs,  it’s really poor form and he should stop commenting on anything to do with this club immediately 

Edited July 25, 2019 by Guest

[dowls]

If people think us pursuing such a route is holding up replacement of a new manager you need to give your head a wobble.. the people

working on this will not be working in a new manager.

 

The issue of compo and losing Bruce and team is one problem, replacing him is another .. the largest issue from DC will be the huge disruption .. the fact we as a club will of following Bruce’s instructions off the field and now it’s thrown up in the air, not least the face DC personal plans have been hugely impacted.

 

The club didn't ask ask for this .. replacing Bruce is a process and its not been that long.

 

[Rogers]

25 minutes ago, dowls said:

If people think us pursuing such a route is holding up replacement of a new manager you need to give your head a wobble.. the people

working on this will not be working in a new manager.

 

The issue of compo and losing Bruce and team is one problem, replacing him is another .. the largest issue from DC will be the huge disruption .. the fact we as a club will of following Bruce’s instructions off the field and now it’s thrown up in the air, not least the face DC personal plans have been hugely impacted.

 

The club didn't ask ask for this .. replacing Bruce is a process and its not been that long.

 

 

Seems like you’re in the know! 

 

Give us a clue who’s doing what? Is DC focused on the new manager appointment? I hope so! 

 

What DC’s personal plans have been disrupted? Trip to Disney World with the family 

 

[dowls]

58 minutes ago, Rogers said:

 

Seems like you’re in the know! 

 

Give us a clue who’s doing what? Is DC focused on the new manager appointment? I hope so! 

 

What DC’s personal plans have been disrupted? Trip to Disney World with the family 

 

Lawyers - club representatives - DC in San Francisco 

[Rogers]

15 minutes ago, dowls said:

Lawyers - club representatives - DC in San Francisco 

 

I think we’ve found Dejphon 

 

d taxis d owls - obviously knows the inside track

[darklord]

26 minutes ago, Rogers said:

 

I think we’ve found Dejphon 

 

d taxis d owls - obviously knows the inside track

 

 

More like its a d barcle 

[Bluesteel]

For Bruce and co to have walked the contractual compensation will have been paid. Otherwise they would be insane to do so. 

 

We simply wanted more and are annoyed that it was done via an approach to Bruce to find out the trigger rather than approaching the club. 

 

I think the problem for us is that what Newcastle have done is ok legally, whereas our stance reflects that they have come in and ruined our pre season and that the right thing to do would’ve been to go over and above the minimum requirement. However if they won’t do that what can we do?

 

Move on I suppose and limit the damage.

 

 

 

 

[thesouthowl]

On 24/07/2019 at 02:02, TINKERBELL said:

Bruce has gone and fk him.let it go as by November he will be looking for a new job. 

This, fed up with talking about Bruce, he history, move on 

[Dan™]

On 24/07/2019 at 00:21, Rogers said:

Maybe Bruce's agent, who probably has a copy of the contract did his job and told them. 

 

Does the word 'confidential' not mean anything to you? I don't believe it's part of an agent's job description to go around breaking NDAs in contracts.

 

I'm sure it happens regularly since it's so easy to get away with it, but it certainly shouldn't happen and I'm glad Chansiri is fighting it if he is confident this has happenened to us and screwed us over.