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[OWLERTON GHOST]

1 hour ago, Hookowl said:

 

I understand your concerns, or should say all our concerns regarding the injury problem.

But if the club did say John Smith is the clubs physio, Joe Bloggs is the preventative injury coach, Billy Brown is the Recouperative injury coach.

We wouldn't be any wiser regarding their qualifications, methods, levels of competency etc. and I can't see the club giving out those details.

I agree it is frustrating but I can't really see any way we can get these reassurances.

So in summary if your name is 

Tarquin 

Nathanial

Or Quentin

It highly unlikely you are gonna get the "physio gig"

Oh hold on .........

[Hookowl]

1 minute ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

So in summary if your name is 

Tarquin 

Nathanial

Or Quentin

It highly unlikely you are gonna get the "physio gig"

Oh hold on .........

 

After the first interview stage anyone with the name John, Joe or Billy is short listed to the next phase.

[sweetsheri]

24 minutes ago, room0035 said:

Gary Hooper has had a groin injury for 12 months even on an NHS waiting list this would have been sorted in 3 months. Either the club don't have a clue about player fitness and getting injured players rehabilitated or the smoke and mirrors going on.

 

We have players not playing who are fit on silly wages sat in the stands watching the game in carnousties clubhouse, we have other players who may be injured but the manager does not know, we have other players that are always due back in two weeks then we have yet more players who are injured but with strange injuries like a groin injury 4-6 weeks weeks for an average injury if its worse they have an operation what we seem to do is monitor them for 6-8 weeks then decide they need an operation, they then come back and get reinjured with the same problem.

 

All the time there is no communication what so ever what is going on, so what happens is people make up their own version or post any theories they can find.

 

Plain and simple the club need to start being straight with the fans, if Westwood is not allowed to play because of bonuses, salary then tells us but this crap about him being the worse keeper at the club is becoming embarrassing. 

 

[room0035]

19 minutes ago, Hookowl said:

 

You must have excellent NHS where you live, my Mrs was on a waiting list for 3 months to be referred to a specialist who then put her on a 9 month waiting list for a routine knee operation. 

10 months later ......still waiting. 

I live in Sheffield always used either Hallamshire or Northern General though not had the need to for last few years.

 

I am sure the club could stretch to Bupa or Westfield to quicken the process.

[Hookowl]

Just now, room0035 said:

I live in Sheffield always used either Hallamshire or Northern General though not had the need to for last few years.

 

I am sure the club could stretch to Bupa or Westfield to quicken the process.

 

 

I'm not trying to say the club don't use private medical facilities, I'm just pi**ed off with the NHS at present.

[OWLS about that?]

1 hour ago, marcx666 said:

Thank f*ck for that, I thought this was gonna be a Harry Potter thread....

Same here, thought Owlstalk had finally hit rock bottom

[OWLERTON GHOST]

3 minutes ago, OWLS about that? said:

Same here, thought Owlstalk had finally hit rock bottom

I thought it was about Centre backs inserting digits into Centre Forwards at set Pieces..

[Hookowl]

6 minutes ago, OWLERTON GHOST said:

I thought it was about Centre backs inserting digits into Centre Forwards at set Pieces..

 

[Drewswfc]

Even Jesus wouldn't get Abdi back on the pitch I'm afraid

[Mystic Neg]

I think the difficulty is we had no idea of the real state of the long term injured players. I had hoped most might be fit and ready to go in August.

 

The fact is that most of what we thought were very unfortunate injuries last season haven't recovered properly or at all.

 

Some of these guys have been out for nearly a year and the ACL injury, the mother of all injuries, only worsened by death, might actually be one of the quickest players to return.

 

It is becoming more and more clear that the real rebuild can't properly start until the next pre season. This season is looking like limbo despite the relatively positive start. We are 2 or 3 injuries away from a full on injury crisis mark 2.

 

 

[sharrowowl]

3 hours ago, Rogerwyldesmullet said:

 

Buddhism is big into non-attachment but it seems to be affecting team ligaments more than mental serenity. 

 

Logged in just to plus that. Excellent! 

Edited October 23, 2018 by sharrowowl

[room0035]

37 minutes ago, Mystic Neg said:

I think the difficulty is we had no idea of the real state of the long term injured players. I had hoped most might be fit and ready to go in August.

 

The fact is that most of what we thought were very unfortunate injuries last season haven't recovered properly or at all.

 

Some of these guys have been out for nearly a year and the ACL injury, the mother of all injuries, only worsened by death, might actually be one of the quickest players to return.

 

It is becoming more and more clear that the real rebuild can't properly start until the next pre season. This season is looking like limbo despite the relatively positive start. We are 2 or 3 injuries away from a full on injury crisis mark 2.

 

 

But the rebuild cannot happen until 2020/2021 season because we continue to pay all of the crocks and players not allowed to play so unless someone is sold in January we are going to lose this season in the region of £12-15m so will once again break FFP and be under an embargo even with 11 players leaving we won't be able to sign anyone.

 

So we are looking two season before we can start rebuilding the team that why it is so important to get players like Penney signed up to longer deals, Players such as Neilson, Palmer, Preston should have been signed up already and not allowed to get to 6 months left because as soon as April rolls round and the club give their details the the Football league we will be under another embargo.

 

We cannot sign any players, so will have a team full of kids, players still in contract and might get one or two cheap loans, but should we pick up any injuries we are screwed and you only have to look at our record when we ask players to play more than 30 games in a season we have maybe 4 or 5 players that have without injury.

[Mystic Neg]

5 minutes ago, room0035 said:

But the rebuild cannot happen until 2020/2021 season because we continue to pay all of the crocks and players not allowed to play so unless someone is sold in January we are going to lose this season in the region of £12-15m so will once again break FFP and be under an embargo even with 11 players leaving we won't be able to sign anyone.

 

So we are looking two season before we can start rebuilding the team that why it is so important to get players like Penney signed up to longer deals, Players such as Neilson, Palmer, Preston should have been signed up already and not allowed to get to 6 months left because as soon as April rolls round and the club give their details the the Football league we will be under another embargo.

 

We cannot sign any players, so will have a team full of kids, players still in contract and might get one or two cheap loans, but should we pick up any injuries we are screwed and you only have to look at our record when we ask players to play more than 30 games in a season we have maybe 4 or 5 players that have without injury.

We are aligned, we are in limbo right now true?

 

The real rebuild starts this summer stripping out the deadwood. Next season will also be tough as you point out but most of the crocks will be gone. We will have a clean slate albeit a bare one. I agree with you in that relying on our youth getting signed up is vital cos it's unlikely we can do any serious business.

[Owls Loyal]

Mycroft wrote the following:

 

I'm sure players would be happy to have their private medical details plastered all over for everyone to pour over. 

 

All I am suggesting is that we get the bare minimum information that is common with other professional clubs.

 

Unfortunately we do not even get the bare minmum of information.

[vulva]

Date of this article is January re Hooper. 

 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-duo-suffer-injury-setback-1-8940724

[Inspector Lestrade]

41 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said:

Mycroft wrote the following:

 

I'm sure players would be happy to have their private medical details plastered all over for everyone to pour over. 

 

All I am suggesting is that we get the bare minimum information that is common with other professional clubs.

 

Unfortunately we do not even get the bare minmum of information.

 

Once you have this vital information what are you going to do with it?

[Owls Loyal]

It was helpful to have the information re FF's ACL and it gave us a good idea of his possible return date.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but we have been given no information on Hooper's problem?

 

Contrast this with the regular updates THFC gave out on Danny Rose's injury.

[Hookowl]

7 minutes ago, Owls Loyal said:

It was helpful to have the information re FF's ACL and it gave us a good idea of his possible return date.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but we have been given no information on Hooper's problem?

 

Contrast this with the regular updates THFC gave out on Danny Rose's injury.

 

Wrong

 

Sheffield Wednesday are seeking a second opinion on the groin problem suffered by Gary Hooper in a bid to end the striker's nine-month injury ordeal.

 

[Marc_Degryse]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C.#Support_staff

 

Feel better now? :)

 

I'm making a Liam McGarry voodoo doll as I type, and that Chris Senior better watch out if he's at QPR tonight...

[frastheowl]

 

It's not an issue that lies within one area. There'll be few issues within the club that are contributing to this ridiculous injury situation. 

 

Players picking up injuries I can accept. Van Aken damaging his ankle in a tackle, you cannot prevent. Forestieri damaging his ACL, you cannot prevent. Bannan tearing his groin, you cannot prevent totally.

 

But what you absolutely CAN prevent, is players continuously breaking down when returning from injuries. That is the main reason football clubs have spent millions of pounds in the Sport Scientist and Medical departments. Football club own expensive, valuable assets...it makes absolute sense to spend extra money to ensure those assets are been utilised as regularly as possible. 

 

The fact that Kieran Lee, Gary Hooper, Fernando Forestieri, Sam Hutchinson, Sam Winnall and Almen Abdi have all broken down (some more than once) after returning from injury needs accounting for. I sincerely hope Chansiri is demanding answers from deep within the club...because at the end of the day, it's his assets that are been wasted. 

 

Is our Medical department inadequate? Carlos certainly seemed to think it was. (And by the way, can we now stop with the "Carlos caused all the injuries" narrative, because it was clearly untrue) But things haven't changed despite wholesale changes within that department. 

 

Therefore, are we spending enough money in that department? We've now had two teams that have failed to improve the injury situation. Does our budget for that department allow us to make improvement? Are we just replacing like for like (qualification, experience-wise)?

 

Are the players the issue? It's clear our recruitment was geared towards experienced pros...the older the player, the more likely you are to get injuries. But other clubs have had "old" squads and not suffered like we have. It simply can't be an age thing. There has to be more to it...

 

Have we just signed a load of duds? Well, you could perhaps place Sam Hutchinson and perhaps Gary Hooper in that bracket. Hutchinson is renowned for his injury problems, and let's be honest, if he wasn't, he wouldn't have signed for Sheffield Wednesday. Gary Hooper struggled for fitness throughout his time at Norwich...in hindsight, was that a transfer with an element of risk which ultimately has proved very expensive? But the others? Kieran Lee played 45 and 53 games respectively for Oldham in the two seasons prior to signing for Wednesday...He wasn't an injury prone player. Almen Abdi played 33 and 38 games for Watford in the two seasons before joining us...he wasn't injury prone either. Forestieri and Winnall also weren't injury prone players. So has our recruitment been to blame THAT much for these injuries?

 

Carlos was blamed for flogging certain players and running them on empty. Well Luhukay has arrived, rotated his squad constantly, and still the injuries continue. So that wasn't to blame either...

 

Lastly...and perhaps most pertinent...the training ground. It's well known, that the training complex to inferior to our status...and more importantly, where we want to go. And I've had it mentioned to me, that's it's a real issue...surface wise. Now, it gets relaid every single season...but is that enough? In these times where training and matches are so intense...could this be having more of an impact than we realise? Almost every Premier League training ground has Desso type pitches. If we are ambitious like Chansiri wants us to be, AND he wants to rectify his perpetual injury crisis, maybe that's where his money should be going (instead for paying millions, and millions of pounds on players who are simply not contributing). After all, it's not accounted for within the FFP limits. 

 

The answer lies within these factors...how much each factor is contributing is the key solution. But one thing it is not, after 18 months of the problems, is bad luck. We aren't unfortunate to suffer these injuries. It's a systemic failure within the club. And it needs routing out, and correcting. Otherwise, this club will continue to p1ss in the wind in their quest to become a Premier League club.