Costello 77 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Can't see any material difference between an official embargo and what we've got now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, nethertonowl said: Been told yes we are under an embargo, more players to go , all big names just haggling over fees. Very sorry to say this but it’s down to the kids. Who told you this? Your mate in the pub or the voices in your head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardo Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: I don't think Wednesday are under an embargo, how would you keep it quiet?? But wouldn't surprise me if we find ourselves under one soon. If we are under an embargo soon the people running the club want to take a long hard look at themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Further to this alleged mass exodus from @nethertonowl... If we selling off everyone, then we may want to start omitting the big names from pre season friendlies. It's not very wise to have other clubs prospective signings picking up injuries and knocks in meaningless friendlies. Someone might also might want to have told the lads before Mansfield that they were all off too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quist Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: So let's get this straight ALL journalists, commentators, radio stations, papers, guest commentators etc are ALL against Sheffield Wednesday for some reason? And it just happens to coincide with us not doing very well and being a bit skint? They're just sticking the boot in Even ex players and people in the media who are Wednesday fans - all just booting us in the face? Why on EARTH would they all do that all at once all the time? No they are not all against us but sometimes they do not always show good/common sense. The Mansfield game was a good point to illustrate this. The reporting was not balanced from the images it was clear more Mansfield players were involved than Wednesday players and the referee punished Mansfield players more than he did Wednesday which gives you an impression where more of the blame laid in his opinion. Yet quotes used were from their manager and more emphasis was placed on Wednesday than Mansfield. I said reporting was not balanced on this occasion and I stand by this. Jos keeps his comments and actions under control which is admirable but does mean journalists only have opoosing managers comments to rely on. There was times last season when questions needed to be asked and fully supported journalists in this. I praise Journalists when they do a good job for example Howson did article on Profit and Sustainability recently and congratualted him on it. I think it is counter productive to criticise journalists constantly and would not condone this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, SiJ said: Who told you this? Your mate in the pub or the voices in your head? You must be cross eyed mate, you can’t see past the end of your nose, Ask yourself why, Jos said lower league and kids will be only signings, DC and everybody else had said we are close to FFP ( or whatever it’s called now). We haven’t signed one single player this summer, 8 from last year squad have gone. ( including kids loans etc) We didn’t go abroad for pre season, there is fizz all in the club shop. Huge ticket prices. Club 1867, and long term multi year season tickets . All designed to get money into club up front. People like Nixon suggesting we are in trouble, but you know better, I work in a role which provides me with an insight into football contracts etc, I have know past and present Wednesday players, and we are in trouble. So yes if it’s voices in my head and it gets you a crack at somebody else fine . Me I live in the real world I am told we are screwed and It wee wees me off, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Let’s see which of our saleable assets start tomorrow eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, nethertonowl said: You must be cross eyed mate, you can’t see past the end of your nose, Ask yourself why, Jos said lower league and kids will be only signings, DC and everybody else had said we are close to FFP ( or whatever it’s called now). We haven’t signed one single player this summer, 8 from last year squad have gone. ( including kids loans etc) We didn’t go abroad for pre season, there is fizz all in the club shop. Huge ticket prices. Club 1867, and long term multi year season tickets . All designed to get money into club up front. People like Nixon suggesting we are in trouble, but you know better, I work in a role which provides me with an insight into football contracts etc, I have know past and present Wednesday players, and we are in trouble. So yes if it’s voices in my head and it gets you a crack at somebody else fine . Me I live in the real world I am told we are screwed and It wee wees me off, So it's your opinion. Not a fact. Thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, nethertonowl said: You must be cross eyed mate, you can’t see past the end of your nose, Ask yourself why, Jos said lower league and kids will be only signings, DC and everybody else had said we are close to FFP ( or whatever it’s called now). We haven’t signed one single player this summer, 8 from last year squad have gone. ( including kids loans etc) We didn’t go abroad for pre season, there is fizz all in the club shop. Huge ticket prices. Club 1867, and long term multi year season tickets . All designed to get money into club up front. People like Nixon suggesting we are in trouble, but you know better, I work in a role which provides me with an insight into football contracts etc, I have know past and present Wednesday players, and we are in trouble. So yes if it’s voices in my head and it gets you a crack at somebody else fine . Me I live in the real world I am told we are screwed and It wee wees me off, Except Jo’s didn’t say that. He also explained why he didn’t want to go abroad. I’m sure the week in Chester was free anyway. Fizz all in the club shop? Really? What do you expect to be in there? The new kit or summat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, nethertonowl said: Let’s see which of our saleable assets start tomorrow eh? You seem sure - which players do you expect not to be starting tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, SiJ said: So it's your opinion. Not a fact. Thanks for clarifying. No these are all supporting details Which are out in the open to support what I have Been told, do keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, nethertonowl said: No these are all supporting details Which are out in the open to support what I have Been told, do keep up. Who told you then? A current member of the squad? A former player? Do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, SiJ said: Who told you then? A current member of the squad? A former player? Do tell. He's full of shiiiiite pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, bladeshater said: He's full of shiiiiite pal Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't. He claims to have been told this by someone. Makes vague references to his job where he's privy to footballers contractual details. Why not spill the beans? Or is it just pure conjecture on his part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I can see there is still some disbelief that we are where we are. Lets assume that last season (given that we didnt remove any costs from our salaries, and only added to them with Rhodes (wages & transfer fee), Van Aken (wages & transfer fee), Pelepussy(wages & transfer fee) & paying off Carlos) - but lets assume and give the club the absolute benefit of the doubt that we did not increase our losses from the season before (which were £20.765m). Lets say last season we lost £20m (to keep things simple)... This is what we'd be looking at as an assessment of our 3 season accumulated losses Ive put last seasons £20m loss in red - but you can clearly see the net effect of that as 3 seasons accumulated losses of £50.52m (don't forget thats not the full amount thats assessed as investment in stadium/academy is deducted - although the figures Ive seen for this tend to be circa £1.5m per season for Championship clubs)... so you could knock £4.5m off that figure (which means we are still over FFP losses - but only just - which might be why weve been able to negotiate some time to avoid an embargo. Now its clear we are on a cost cutting drive. Loovens and Wallace already gone - Hunt & Rhodes wages also gone (with £1.5m in for Hunt)... Lets say we manage to offload another player before the start of the season - and we manage to get this seasons loss to £10m... That STILL means that next seasons accumulated losses will be £50.7m - meaning that we shouldn't just expect to be taking a back seat this year - but next season too. You can see that if we can reduce our losses to £10m for the foreseeable we will be back under the FFP guidelines (and able to invest again) in 2021. I wouldn't be expecting us to 'splash the cash' again for quite some time. THIS is why we arent signing anybody, this is why the Chairman needs to improve revenues (Club 1867/memberships etc)... We are in a financial mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, SiJ said: Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't. He claims to have been told this by someone. Makes vague references to his job where he's privy to footballers contractual details. Why not spill the beans? Or is it just pure conjecture on his part? If he was privy to players contracts he wouldn't be on a fans forum spouting crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, SiJ said: Who told you then? A current member of the squad? A former player? Do tell. That s right I ‘ll come on here and name my source , and betray a confidence just to shut you up. Should I post my account number and pin code too! I dont post loads and have positive rating suggests , that most others think I am sensible and might just be some body who does get info from inside the club. Not from down the pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hillsborough Mole said: I can see there is still some disbelief that we are where we are. Lets assume that last season (given that we didnt remove any costs from our salaries, and only added to them with Rhodes (wages & transfer fee), Van Aken (wages & transfer fee), Pelepussy(wages & transfer fee) & paying off Carlos) - but lets assume and give the club the absolute benefit of the doubt that we did not increase our losses from the season before (which were £20.765m). Lets say last season we lost £20m (to keep things simple)... This is what we'd be looking at as an assessment of our 3 season accumulated losses Ive put last seasons £20m loss in red - but you can clearly see the net effect of that as 3 seasons accumulated losses of £50.52m (don't forget thats not the full amount thats assessed as investment in stadium/academy is deducted - although the figures Ive seen for this tend to be circa £1.5m per season for Championship clubs)... so you could knock £4.5m off that figure (which means we are still over FFP losses - but only just - which might be why weve been able to negotiate some time to avoid an embargo. Now its clear we are on a cost cutting drive. Loovens and Wallace already gone - Hunt & Rhodes wages also gone (with £1.5m in for Hunt)... Lets say we manage to offload another player before the start of the season - and we manage to get this seasons loss to £10m... That STILL means that next seasons accumulated losses will be £50.7m - meaning that we shouldn't just expect to be taking a back seat this year - but next season too. You can see that if we can reduce our losses to £10m for the foreseeable we will be back under the FFP guidelines (and able to invest again) in 2021. I wouldn't be expecting us to 'splash the cash' again for quite some time. THIS is why we arent signing anybody, this is why the Chairman needs to improve revenues (Club 1867/memberships etc)... We are in a financial mess. Steady on old boy reasoned comments on here aren’t welcome only pub talk 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lomas613 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Sonny said: Maybe we are under an embargo and Wednesday is when it could be lifted depending on how well the league think we’ve done. *wild speculation Might be into something there we might have been given a certain deadline to meet demands of the FFP wedesday is when we find out that succeded or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hillsborough Mole Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, nethertonowl said: Steady on old boy reasoned comments on here aren’t welcome only pub talk I'm just waiting for Sij to come and rip the clubs accounts to pieces and say the're wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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