cognacbarnowl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, TomtheOwl95 said: Haha. Fair play. To be fair there's f*ck all to do in Leeds on a Saturday. That's not really fair to say is it. There is a rugby team there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said: For a city with one club they don't seem to have this massively impressive they claim to. Also if you look at what they've actually achieved (which I think is quite key to defining weather you're a big club or not) there isn't as much there as people would have you believe. I think because they had a big of success in Europe they have been given a reputation they don't deserve. Not suggesting they aren't a big club, If I was giving a list of the 20 clubs I'd want in the Premier League I'd have them in. These things are often decided on reputation and that’s gained through recent memories watching matches on tv. Leeds United fell really lucky as their success started when football started appearing on mainstream television. In the 70’s In was really fashionable to support Leeds United, they ended up with fans from all around the country and they still have those (older) fans. They even had quite a few traitors in Sheffield supporting Leeds United. Agree for a one club city their home support of 25K to 30K isn’t that good but a successful Leeds United could average 60,000. Also they still have massive respect from Man Utd, Leeds and Chelsea fans as Leeds were for many years their big rivals and on a par with those clubs. This side of the war Wednesday have never had the same prestige or reputation as Man Utd and Liverpool, whereas LUFC have. Most of the big Leeds United admirers are 50+, so if they don’t get promoted in the next 20 years their reputation will gradually get smaller and smaller. Edited April 11, 2018 by sheffsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: These things are often decided on reputation and that’s gained through recent memories watching matches on tv. Leeds United fell really lucky as their success started when football started appearing on mainstream television. In the 70’s In was really fashionable to support Leeds United, they ended up with fans from all around the country and they still have those (older) fans. They even had quite a few traitors in Sheffield supporting Leeds United. Agree for a one club city their home support of 25K to 30K isn’t that good but a successful Leeds United could average 60,000. Also they still have massive respect from Man Utd, Leeds and Chelsea fans as Leeds were for many years their big rivals and on a par with those clubs. This side of the war Wednesday have never had the same prestige or reputation as Man Utd and Liverpool, whereas LUFC have. Wow !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: These things are often decided on reputation and that’s gained through recent memories watching matches on tv. Leeds United fell really lucky as their success started when football started appearing on mainstream television. In the 70’s In was really fashionable to support Leeds United, they ended up with fans from all around the country and they still have those (older) fans. They even had quite a few traitors in Sheffield supporting Leeds United. Agree for a one club city their home support of 25K to 30K isn’t that good but a successful Leeds United could average 60,000. Also they still have massive respect from Man Utd, Leeds and Chelsea fans as Leeds were for many years their big rivals and on a par with those clubs. This side of the war Wednesday have never had the same prestige or reputation as Man Utd and Liverpool, whereas LUFC have. I agree with that and I also think that the O'Leary years convinced the Sky generation that they were bigger than they are. We sadly missed the boat there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: These things are often decided on reputation and that’s gained through recent memories watching matches on tv. Leeds United fell really lucky as their success started when football started appearing on mainstream television. In the 70’s In was really fashionable to support Leeds United, they ended up with fans from all around the country and they still have those (older) fans. They even had quite a few traitors in Sheffield supporting Leeds United. Agree for a one club city their home support of 25K to 30K isn’t that good but a successful Leeds United could average 60,000. Also they still have massive respect from Man Utd, Leeds and Chelsea fans as Leeds were for many years their big rivals and on a par with those clubs. This side of the war Wednesday have never had the same prestige or reputation as Man Utd and Liverpool, whereas LUFC have. Most of the big Leeds United admirers are 50+, so if they don’t get promoted in the next 20 years their reputation will gradually get smaller and smaller. What was it that Clough said about their reputation and their medals ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognacbarnowl Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 In 1919 Leeds City were dissolved as a football club due to financial irregularities and they then formed leeds united. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TomtheOwl95 said: I agree with that and I also think that the O'Leary years convinced the Sky generation that they were bigger than they are. We sadly missed the boat there. Agree, these days it’s all about reputation, glamour of the PL. Leeds have a head start, the older guys in the media know how big Leeds were, so when they get back in the PL the media will be all over them. Unfortuately Sheffield isn’t percieved to be as glamourous as Leeds, it’s certainly not as wealthy, so has to work harder to improve its reputation. Also wonder how much of a negative effect the Hillsboro disaster has had towards Wednesdays image. Wednesday really need to get back in the PL as soon as possible to make the nation show any interest. Edited April 11, 2018 by sheffsteel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARMYARMY2010 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: Don’t think anyone outside Sheffield would ever say Wednesday were bigger than Leeds United. Leeds United had a spell in the early 70’s of being one of the best club sides in world football. Also the potential support at Leeds puts them in the top 5 biggest clubs in England. Leeds have supporters all around the country and plenty of supporters clubs in Europe. Sky viewing figures show the audience is far bigger for Leeds matches than any other Chsmpuomship club. However Leeds United were a nothing club before 1964 Before 1964 Wednesday were a much bigger club than Leeds United for many decades. 1st Leeds United 2nd Wednesday 3rd United 4th Middlesboro (United traditionally bigger but Boro are catching up) 5th Huddersfield (mainly based on winning 3 titles in the 20’s and many seasons in the top flight). 6th Barnsley 7th Hull City 8th Bradford (good potential support but spent most of their history in the bottom 2 divisions) 9th Doncaster (traditionally slightly bigger than Rotherham) 10th Rotherham Leeds have been nothing since 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch's biscuit knee Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Leeds have been nothing since 2007 When was the last time we were something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Leeds have been nothing since 2007 It depends on definition of biggest club. Can be fan base, potential fan base, biggest away support, stadium size, trophies won, seasons in the top flight, seasons in Europe, finances, biggest transfers, most supporters clubs, biggest tv audiences, biggest twitter and YouTube followers etc. Also reputation and perceived size makes a difference and of course weighting should be given towards more recent history. Leeds United were big from 1965 to 1970, then they became massive from 71 to 76. They were crap in the 80’s but big again in the 90’s and early 00’s. Agree they’ve been crap again for the last 10 years but id say reputation is based on living memory. So anything from about 1960 is still significant and meaningful. In 20 years time Leeds United great team of the 70’s won’t mean much and they’ll need to create some new history to keep their reputation. Edited April 12, 2018 by sheffsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingleyOwl Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: Agree, these days it’s all about reputation, glamour of the PL. Leeds have a head start, the older guys in the media know how big Leeds were, so when they get back in the PL the media will be all over them. Unfortuately Sheffield isn’t percieved to be as glamourous as Leeds, it’s certainly not as wealthy, so has to work harder to improve its reputation. Also wonder how much of a negative effect the Hillsboro disaster has had towards Wednesdays image. Wednesday really need to get back in the PL as soon as possible to make the nation show any interest. I agree. As a metropolitan district, Sheffield is larger than Leeds with a greater population (I think). However, it isn’t the ‘economical powerhouse’ that Leeds is. Leeds City Centre receives huge, grotesque funding of which Sheffield doesn’t. In my opinion this is a shame because it means Sheffield gets forgotten about. Round here the main cities that roll off people’s tongues are Leeds and Manchester and, even though Sheff is closer than Manc, it rarely gets considered as a place to visit. That in itself directly effects how people perceive the football clubs in each of the discussed cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaliceInBlunderland Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Did a thread on this in January. Best Yorkshire club of ALL TIME is SWFC. - Won most major trophies - Highest record attendance - Highest record average attendance for a single season - Most seasons spent in top flight and some other stuff I can't remember If you want to judge by a certain era, then obviously it depends on which era you choose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hutch's biscuit knee said: When was the last time we were something? 2017. Cake ball champions!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebowl Yell Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 We are miles bigger than Leeds, you have to be a right self hating simpleton to not see that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Rebowl Yell said: We are miles bigger than Leeds, you have to be a right self hating simpleton to not see that. Miles north to south, or east to west? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebowl Yell Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, bobness said: Miles north to south, or east to west? Gi’oer soft lad, you know what I mean. We are Yorkshire’s biggest club by far then it’s Jimmy Saville’s barmy army in second forever in our shadow like they belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWEDFM Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Close call between Leeds and ourselves Pigs Hull Barnsley Bradford Huddersfield Rotherham Donny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bark1062 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 5 hours ago, BARMYARMY2010 said: Leeds have been nothing since 2007 And our claim to fame has been ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 It dunt matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watty Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I hate Leeds with a passion , but they are and have been Yorkshire's biggest club for years , Wednesday are a clear second the rest much of a muchness , down to Donny who are at the bottom which is funny after John Ryan's comments a few years ago about them and Barnsley being potentially bigger than the two Sheffield clubs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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