owlmark Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 5 hours ago, cookeh said: He's an odd one. Looked good initially when he moved central, but the last few games I've been frustrated by him more than anything. Not tracking his man. Getting lost just watching play. Opting for a 35 yard shot instead of playing someone in. Giving it away a lot, including letting himself get robbed in our own area against Leeds (which they should have scored from) despite having a day and a half to clear it. His level has dropped for me. Needs to pick it back up again. I agree but he is probably knackered playing most games and been quite a driving force. Think a rest or a few substitutions would have helped him recover like some of the others have had, but needs must! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, ramone said: You're right - His fear of getting hurt has cost us twice this season in the dying embers of the game against Hull and Bolton. Its unacceptable if you ask me Hull, yes. Against Bolton I thought he did everything he could to prevent the cross coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEE Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Reach has become one of our best players! He’s been class in the centre of the field with the free role and I can only see him getting better when some of our key players returning from injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 When everyone is fit Westwood Lees, new, Van Aken (Pudil) Lee Reach Bannan, Hutchinson, FF Hooper, Joao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Box_Man said: Perfect in a 4-2-3-1 Westwood Hunt. Lees. VA. New RoboHutch. Bannan Forestireri Hooper. Reach Joao Agree with most of that that. If Hooper or Forestieri are sold we can bring in someone new or Boyd for the right. Only thing I don't agree with is Bannan at DM. He needs to be further forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvin Parsnip Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Probably turn poor again now BB is back - he constantly moans at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, elvin parsnip said: Probably turn poor again now BB is back - he constantly moans at him Compared to BB he is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 He could be on a strong looking bench soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 i like him a lot but if we could make a hefty profit i'd sell him, as i would anyone in our squad, FF excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike1867 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, elvin parsnip said: Probably turn poor again now BB is back - he constantly moans at him It wasnt just me imagining that then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Flange Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 He has had very much of a free role under Jos and has done a great job and more importantly kept himself free of injury. I would like to see him keep this free role especially as we are unlikely to see kieron lee again this season if ever. Only problem is not sure how this would affect how bannan plays but I believe he should now fit in around Reach and not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike1867 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, s6 owl said: Compared to BB he is poor. Depends which bit you are comparing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 8 hours ago, spike1867 said: Without sounding like a stuck record, it should have been apparent to those in the know (ie coaching staff) that Adam Reach was never going to make a top winger/wing back/full back. As I have said often enough, in my opinion, he doesn't have the pace or trickery to play left wing. He doesn't have the tenacity to play full back and I think it is just folly to think that he could produce consistent displays at wing back when he doesn't have excellent ability in either aspect of the role. Many many moons ago I said he should have been Kieran Lee's understudy. Integral to the way we played under Carlos was KL's ability to make up the 5th attacker. Arriving in the box, getting beyond the striker(s), linking defensive midfield to attack. I didn't think KL was perfect either. He tends to drift into forward positions, when sometimes I felt we needed somebody akin to Carlton, big, rangey long stride who would stretch opposition midfielders. Now I have no doubt when Adam Reach was a U16, U18 player, his long stride and good engine would have seen him gallop past most full backs. He probably got pigeon holed into that unfortunate box that he's left footed, therefore he must play down the left. The modern day championship/premier league full back though, generally, is quick, agile and as good going forward as they are going back. So Adam Reach spends more of his time tracking back and less time trying to figure out the full back. He will certainly make a few full backs look foolish, those that lack pace or positional sense, but I doubt if he will truly make an opposition team make a plan to deal with him like for instance, Forestieri or Knockaert. My point being this, had it been recognised that with his long stride, ability to finish, the fact that against slow turning CM's and DCM's this would have magnified his ability to lose markers, his shooting ability and his excellent stamina, and made him KL's understudy, we would have had continuity when KL got injured. I've said many times before in a midfield you should have as near as possible, a floater, a spreader, a buzzer and a runner. We had the buzzer in Hutchinson, we had the spreader in Bannan, the floaters in Wallace and Kieran Lee, who also provided running ability. Without KL we lost our runner...someone willing to do the hard yards to get from box to box. Adam Reach was the only viable replacement with the right qualities for this spot. Adam Reach will probably be a 6-7/10 each week playing on the left. He will be a 7-8/10 most weeks playing in a central role, at this level anyway. Our first goal on Saturday came from Reach getting into the box on the end of a cross. If he had been out on the left who would have been making that run? Bannan, Hutchinson, Jones, Butterfield, Pelupessy? Maybe Sean Clare, probably KL. Look at Joao's second against Derby. When the ball breaks to Reach in the centre circle he plays it out wide and his first instinct is to attack the space between midfield and defenders. Not follow the pass and look for the return ball, not drop deep to give another option between the centre halves. He runs forward and provides the extra attacker. Sorry its so long winded, but its a bug bear. His physical attributes and his instincts make him a central midfielder, not a winger. Don't get me wrong, he's not perfect. He's go to work on his first touch, his decision making and his physicality. There will be times he will have to fill in on the left. In a 4-2-3-1 I wouldn't mind seeing him anywhere along that line of 3, at least he would be expected to get into the box and support the striker. He would be taking the full back where he didn't want to go, on his weaker side and into the penalty box. The full back wants to push him outside and crowd him out knowing he hasn't got the pace to skin him. He could even play the second DCM in a 4-2-3-1, help with the breaking ball and go box to box. A bit more physicality and he'd be good there. However, I really don't want to see him out left of a 4-4-2 or as a full back or wing back. I'd say neg away but....ahh what the hell, laugh away, look bemused at my ramblings. I think its a good post mate, makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, spike1867 said: Depends which bit you are comparing... Bannan is a much better player as are Lee and Hutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike1867 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Reach is 3 years younger, made nearly as may appearances. Over the last 3/4 seasons he's been averaging around 39 games a season. He's scored more than twice as many goals than Bannan. I've no idea about assists. Bannan is a better playmaker, better first touch, better football brain (my opinion). Barry Bannan has a poor conversion rate from midfield. Depends on what you're comparing. For me Bannan lacks in certain attributes as does Reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 hours ago, ramone said: You're right - His fear of getting hurt has cost us twice this season in the dying embers of the game against Hull and Bolton. Its unacceptable if you ask me Mate, I have seen some absolute garbage pull on a Wednesday shirt over the years, but I can forgive a lack of ability if they make up for it with commitment and desire, they cant make themselves play better but they can effect the game in other ways. What I will never accept is a player with reasonable ability not willing to do the dirty work and costing us points. One of my players a few months ago pulled out of a tackle on the half hour mark, he didn't come out for the 2nd half and he's not played since. Creative players still need to play with commitment and desire, that is what Reach is lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Wednesday Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Vic Flange said: He has had very much of a free role under Jos and has done a great job and more importantly kept himself free of injury. I would like to see him keep this free role especially as we are unlikely to see kieron lee again this season if ever. Only problem is not sure how this would affect how bannan plays but I believe he should now fit in around Reach and not the other way around. He's cost us points keeping himself injury free. He needs to start putting his foot in. He loves and enjoys getting on the ball and looking pretty, doing the easy bit, if he was playing in my team I would be two footing him every day in trg until he starts looking after himself. He's got the ability to play at this level and influence games, he's probably got enough to play at the next level, he won't though unless he toughens up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 We have far better players than Reach but he does have loads of potential to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s6 owl Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, spike1867 said: Reach is 3 years younger, made nearly as may appearances. Over the last 3/4 seasons he's been averaging around 39 games a season. He's scored more than twice as many goals than Bannan. I've no idea about assists. Bannan is a better playmaker, better first touch, better football brain (my opinion). Barry Bannan has a poor conversion rate from midfield. Depends on what you're comparing. For me Bannan lacks in certain attributes as does Reach. I agree Bannan has a poor conversion rate but so has Reach. In terms of quality Bannan is miles ahead of Reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Who is best in the number 10 role and who is best out wide left if we get FF and Hoops back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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