BIG D Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 34 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said: The lad should be concentrating more on playing and with this let the contracts/money look after itself. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 It is wholly possible that both sides of this are acting sensibly. He is wise to want to move if premier league clubs are offering shedloads. We may be wise not to match those shedloads esp if his demands are on a par with upper first team wages (as they are rumoured to be but of course no one knows). Just the way it is. If he turns out to be as good as his father then he will end up playing for a big club and certainly wouldn't be with us even in the premier league. Similarly it's quite plausible that for highly rated 18yos we can't in the end compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 People talk about the phrase "No one is bigger than the club" It's been rolled out to various chairmen, board members, managers and players, It now seems we have found the one person that is actually bigger than the club..... George Hirst Or so some people think ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I predict George Hirst to eventually become a future premier league footballer. Signing for a club after his contract expires we get a minimum fee through tribunal. he will perform well to excellent through the leagues whilst on loan. and he probably will have no future issues with contract negotiations. he will have a good career whos fault, probably No ones if you believe you are right in your offer or negotiability but will Wednesday benefit. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 4 hours ago, matthefish2002 said: Is Carlos involved with the contract with George Hirst by any chance? both doyen clients tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, fpowl said: I predict George Hirst to eventually become a future premier league footballer. Signing for a club after his contract expires we get a minimum fee through tribunal. he will perform well to excellent through the leagues whilst on loan. and he probably will have no future issues with contract negotiations. he will have a good career whos fault, probably No ones if you believe you are right in your offer or negotiability but will Wednesday benefit. Not really. I predict not, unless he learns from this quickly. The best footballers in the world are motivated intrinsically (to be the best player, etc), not extrinsically (finance, contracts, etc.). Sadly as CC alludes to young Hirst has fallen into the trap (or disaster) of modern day football, as it would seem his focus (or head) has significantly shifted away from what is important. I commend the club for standing by their principles. Edited October 26, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 39 minutes ago, fpowl said: I predict George Hirst to eventually become a future premier league footballer. Signing for a club after his contract expires we get a minimum fee through tribunal. he will perform well to excellent through the leagues whilst on loan. and he probably will have no future issues with contract negotiations. he will have a good career whos fault, probably No ones if you believe you are right in your offer or negotiability but will Wednesday benefit. Not really. Maybe but you are overlooking that he is giving up a year of development at a crucial age. It could be that other players will catch up with him or overtake him whilst he sits this year out. Terrible scenario that is obviously all about money and I'm not taking sides on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Wakefield owl said: Maybe but you are overlooking that he is giving up a year of development at a crucial age. It could be that other players will catch up with him or overtake him whilst he sits this year out. Terrible scenario that is obviously all about money and I'm not taking sides on that one. But is he ? Or is the club stopping him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I guess the bright side for GH is that he’ll currently have spare time to chat to some more clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: But is he ? Or is the club stopping him ? As is said, it comes down to valuation and unfortunately at this stage in GH’s career that shouldn’t be a stumbling block (or as said, his motivation). The fact that it is, suggests that the issue rests with the player (and/or his advisors) and not the club. At the end of the day, if he’s worth it he’ll prove it on the field (at professional level) and in turn the money and finance will look after itself. Edited October 26, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just now, AwokenGiant said: As is said, it comes down to valuation and unfortunately at this stage in GH’s career that shouldn’t be a stumbling block (or as said, his motivation). The fact that it is, suggests that the issue rests with the player (and/or his advisors) and not the club. This is where it becomes very murky with him being a Doyen client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: This is where it becomes very murky with him being a Doyen client. Exactly, and any advisor that is telling a young footballer to sit tight and not play football (whatever the circumstances) cannot have the player’s best interest at heart. Edited October 26, 2017 by AwokenGiant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said: Exactly, but any advisor that is telling a young footballer to sit tight and not play football (whatever the circumstances) cannot have the player’s best interest at heart. genuinely believe the only people who has George's interests at heart are his family our club and fans are interested in his worth to us going forward as a footballer and asset to his agents he's a number a cash cow so sad really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzswfc Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Exactly how good is he? Could he be hungrier than what we currently have? Id give him a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 In place of Hooper or Fletcher? No ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, steelowl said: genuinely believe the only people who has George's interests at heart are his family our club and fans are interested in his worth to us going forward as a footballer and asset to his agents he's a number a cash cow so sad really Indeed, but you’d have thought/hoped that Hirst Snr would be advising him based on his experience. He’s been a part of the culture so should see right though what’s happening. Edited October 26, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Somni Jennings Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Is there a difference in value we would receive if he has played at Championship level or not? Wondering if we are choosing to not play him as it will impact the price we get when he leaves at the end of the season? Given our goal scoring records, playing for us at the moment can only really bring his value down eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said: Exactly, and any advisor that is telling a young footballer to sit tight and not play football (whatever the circumstances) cannot have the player’s best interest at heart. have I missed summat ...I thought it was chansiri who was not playing him ......I don't think he's refused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield owl Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: But is he ? Or is the club stopping him ? Who knows but either way his development is sure to suffer. Whatever rights and wrongs are he could be playing next week if he wanted to so perhaps it is his choice? Edited October 26, 2017 by Wakefield owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Just now, torryowl said: have I missed summat ...I thought it was chansiri who was not playing him ......I don't think he's refused If so, why has he refused to let him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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