torryowl Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 hours ago, Grimbarian said: Fair enough, assumed they'd be played at a fair pace tbh, young legs n all no excuse ;) you'd think so wouldn't you and i'm sure they can run just as fast as the seniors but the skill levels and speed of brain /nous(call it what you want ) is so far removed from the 1st team that the game I saw was played at a very pedestrian tempo .....why carlos's get berated by a few for not fast tracking some of them into the squad is a mystery . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Joao was bought as "one for the future, not now". And Carlos didn't specify a year either to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, gurujuan said: That's why we have to persist with Joao Yes his game is a mixed bag, but he can do things only Forestieri, of our other strikers can do In games when it's tight and our other strikers are anonymous, he can win us the game He's only going to improve by being given a run of games, he's unpredictable sure but I'd take that on the bench every time. We won games away at Brentford, home to Hudds with Joao coming on against tired defenders and tearing them a new one. He's decent in the air too, so can defend our box if needed at end of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoyBeevers Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Joao has plenty going for him but needs a season long loan move to a team where they can make him their main man and more easily tolerate his inconsistency whilst he develops. So somebody lower down a division somewhere. He's got the raw tools but (being very blunt) he will not dislodge Hooper, Fletcher, Forestieri and Rhodes in the 18 never mind our first 11. Regardless of how well he plays in training, cup games and u23 matches. The pressure on CC to get us up around the top 4-6 places doesn't allow freedom to experiment with unknown quantities or even support much development for players. Our recruitment has clearly been shifted since we signed Joao to more experienced (older) players who don't need to be delicately handled and supported- Hooper, Fletcher, Rhodes, Jones, Boyd etc It's a waste of time holding onto him this season, he needs a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Nothing about FF and Nuhiu showing up to offer the lads support? They were there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 hours ago, TheBoyBeevers said: Joao has plenty going for him but needs a season long loan move to a team where they can make him their main man and more easily tolerate his inconsistency whilst he develops. So somebody lower down a division somewhere. He's got the raw tools but (being very blunt) he will not dislodge Hooper, Fletcher, Forestieri and Rhodes in the 18 never mind our first 11. Regardless of how well he plays in training, cup games and u23 matches. The pressure on CC to get us up around the top 4-6 places doesn't allow freedom to experiment with unknown quantities or even support much development for players. Our recruitment has clearly been shifted since we signed Joao to more experienced (older) players who don't need to be delicately handled and supported- Hooper, Fletcher, Rhodes, Jones, Boyd etc It's a waste of time holding onto him this season, he needs a loan. Someone needs to dislodge Rhodes permanently off to anywhere that'll have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Nothing about FF and Nuhiu showing up to offer the lads support? They were there.. 18 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Nuhiu and FF at the game. 18 hours ago, Southie_Owl said: FF shows a lot of interest for someone who wants to leave 11 hours ago, mark77 said: ... Trudged off after he had been subbed with Nuhiu and Fernando back to the players canteen area. ... Can't tell if whoosh or short-sighted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 17 hours ago, bladeshater said: Why is it a shame Because Carlos would rather play out of position Pudil, Hutchinson at centre back than the two young lads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 12 hours ago, RUMBELOWS91 said: I don't think CC would be heartbroken if all 3 of these went before the window closes- although I do think he'd like Joao out on loan rather than a permanent move. Would still leave us with Fletch, Hooper, Winnall and Rhodes, with young Hirsty as a back up if required. Don't forget it looks like Hirst will be going on loan as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adifferentgame Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 That second Joao goal is outrageous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Etchesketch said: Because Carlos would rather play out of position Pudil, Hutchinson at centre back than the two young lads Pudil had a great game Saturday well done carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, bladeshater said: Pudil had a great game Saturday well done carlos Not the point though. It must be demoralising for the young centre backs when Carlos would rather play players out of position. Pathway to the first team blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Etchesketch said: Not the point though. It must be demoralising for the young centre backs when Carlos would rather play players out of position. Pathway to the first team blocked. Yes an international player keeping a youngster out shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, bladeshater said: Yes an international player keeping a youngster out shocking Not an international centre back though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Etchesketch said: Not the point though. It must be demoralising for the young centre backs when Carlos would rather play players out of position. Pathway to the first team blocked. The point is that Carlos believes Pudil will do a better job at CB in a Championship match (or league cup) than the young lads. So he picks him. Joao has just shown what a different level u-23 is compared to championship. I am sure that the coaching staff at the club have a better understanding of when players are ready to step up a level than pretty much everyone one on here. Edited August 22, 2017 by OxonOwl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Etchesketch said: Not an international centre back though Will always be an international player he as the caps to prove it and his display Saturday was first class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlZfan84 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, OwlofOliveGrove said: That second Joao goal is outrageous! His 1st wasn't so bad either. Love Steve Haslam's reaction to his 2nd. Lucas WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Owl Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, OwlofOliveGrove said: That second Joao goal is outrageous! Yes it is. However compared to the first team its like watching a slow motion version. The difference in pace and quality between the two levels is vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, Mountain Owl said: Yes it is. However compared to the first team its like watching a slow motion version. The difference in pace and quality between the two levels is vast. Granted it wouldn't happen in the first team environment but I'm giving the lad some credit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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