Blatter Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: I can just see the meltdown at SAG if we applied for this. Don't think Championship clubs can apply. Only lower league clubs as the law stands at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 35 minutes ago, Blatter said: Don't think Championship clubs can apply. Only lower league clubs as the law stands at present. Right, didnt know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Needs a law change. At least it does for Premiership clubs at least as West Brom are interested but they need it to go through parliament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 It's time, and past it, that the myth of 'all seater' stadia was put to bed. Not one stadium is 'all seater'. There may be seats there for people to sit down, but how many people insist on standing as soon as something they think interesting happens? I would venture to suggest that, at Hillsborough, even with a twenty thousand crowd, at least 25%of the spectators jump up as soon as the ball enters the penalty area.. Why not make an area where people can legitimately stand? It was not the 'seating' that was the problem at Hllsborough, but the fact that too many people wanted entrance in too short a time, and wanted to get the best viewing spots, regardless of the fact that here were already people standing in these places - people who had got into the ground legitimately, and early, and these were the ones who suffered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Sam Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 There appears to be momentum in the idea: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40391764 Russian Warship.... Go fxxk yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 27/06/2017 at 12:03, marshy said: Don't think we'd ever get approval for an area of safe standing, even if Leppings Lane was knocked down and rebuilt. There's far too much stigma attached to Hillsborough. I could only see it happening if we moved stadia, and even then I think it's a long shot. Can you imagine the outcry. I agree...our fans are known for being unsafe even in a new stand specifically built for safe standing...shame on us for spoiling it for all the other clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBQ24 Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 2017-6-27 at 16:11, Holmes said: Can't see the point of safe standing, the best bit of standing was when there was a massive surge and everyone lost their balance and place. Sometimes their money and stuff. Sounds very girly to me (Sorry ladies, I am a feminist really) For someone like me who never experienced standing as it used to be I think this is the closest we'll ever get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Have to wait for Corbyn to get elected before BR can put the Football Specials back on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) The modern game is becoming so commercial now, the very last thing you could imagine at a Premier League fixture is standing areas. When you think about it how many women or children would want to be in a standing zone? Arguably even some of your teenage fans would rather be sat down too. Too much stigma associated with 'standing sections' anyway, if you were to ask the overall % of Wednesday fans that go to 5+ matches a season, how many would say they'd rather be stood up than sat down for 90 minutes? Not very many or not enough that will regularly attend matches to make a large standing area sustainable e,g the Kop. Then when you factor in most of those fans won't be of the younger generation, over time your numbers are already dwindling. in short; never gonna happen. Edited June 28, 2017 by Lionel Fessi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, VBQ24 said: For someone like me who never experienced standing as it used to be I think this is the closest we'll ever get. Yes, I think you're right and to be honest it's better sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Daz Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Safe standing is on the increase in Germany, Sweden, Austria etc., through supporter demand. More and more seated areas being removed for the "standing experience" in stadia throughout Europe. We just seem to have this "capitulate cos of Hillsborough" attitude over here, and are falling further behind our continental neighbours, big time. We need to move forward from the disaster, not get left behind. There is a growing demand for standing areas at English grounds, and is gaining impetus. That includes a fair number of fans who want standing at Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Lionel Fessi said: The modern game is becoming so commercial now, the very last thing you could imagine at a Premier League fixture is standing areas. When you think about it how many women or children would want to be in a standing zone? Arguably even some of your teenage fans would rather be sat down too. Too much stigma associated with 'standing sections' anyway, if you were to ask the overall % of Wednesday fans that go to 5+ matches a season, how many would say they'd rather be stood up than sat down for 90 minutes? Not very many or not enough that will regularly attend matches to make a large standing area sustainable e,g the Kop. Then when you factor in most of those fans won't be of the younger generation, over time your numbers are already dwindling. in short; never gonna happen. Well firstly if you ever went to an away game you would be stood up for 90 minutes. So clearly thousands do want to stand. It would be nice to have something to lean on though. I wish I could have stood up for the whole of the play off game instead of having to sit down. I've never been a woman....but I loved standing as a kid, even when I couldn't see. There are though a load of frankly ridiculous reasons why standing wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsup Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Lionel Fessi said: The modern game is becoming so commercial now, the very last thing you could imagine at a Premier League fixture is standing areas. When you think about it how many women or children would want to be in a standing zone? Arguably even some of your teenage fans would rather be sat down too. Too much stigma associated with 'standing sections' anyway, if you were to ask the overall % of Wednesday fans that go to 5+ matches a season, how many would say they'd rather be stood up than sat down for 90 minutes? Not very many or not enough that will regularly attend matches to make a large standing area sustainable e,g the Kop. Then when you factor in most of those fans won't be of the younger generation, over time your numbers are already dwindling. in short; never gonna happen. Commercial reason? You can get 2 standing rail seat spectators in the equivalent traditional seat space. ( The actual figure quoted on 5 live debate yesterday was 1.8 but once you factor catering and shop revenue it increases to 2) your point is correct about demographic is correct - but who's asking for all standing stadia? A choice would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Buxtongent said: It's time, and past it, that the myth of 'all seater' stadia was put to bed. Not one stadium is 'all seater'. There may be seats there for people to sit down, but how many people insist on standing as soon as something they think interesting happens? I would venture to suggest that, at Hillsborough, even with a twenty thousand crowd, at least 25%of the spectators jump up as soon as the ball enters the penalty area.. Why not make an area where people can legitimately stand? It was not the 'seating' that was the problem at Hllsborough, but the fact that too many people wanted entrance in too short a time, and wanted to get the best viewing spots, regardless of the fact that here were already people standing in these places - people who had got into the ground legitimately, and early, and these were the ones who suffered. And yet Buxton, as you will remember, when our home crowds touched 6,000+ and we had extreme difficulty in scoring. We would lie down on the Kop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonowl Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 16 hours ago, Buxtongent said: It's time, and past it, that the myth of 'all seater' stadia was put to bed. Not one stadium is 'all seater'. There may be seats there for people to sit down, but how many people insist on standing as soon as something they think interesting happens? I would venture to suggest that, at Hillsborough, even with a twenty thousand crowd, at least 25%of the spectators jump up as soon as the ball enters the penalty area.. Why not make an area where people can legitimately stand? It was not the 'seating' that was the problem at Hllsborough, but the fact that too many people wanted entrance in too short a time, and wanted to get the best viewing spots, regardless of the fact that here were already people standing in these places - people who had got into the ground legitimately, and early, and these were the ones who suffered. Dont be a bell end mate. Maybe an argument can be made that Liverpool fans had some responsibility but to simply state they were to blame perpetuates the 25+ years of lies that families have had to deal with. Criminal charges have been brought so this is not a subject for discussion but I haven't seen any Liverpool fans charged with manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Can someone tell me why it is dangerous to stand in the top 2 divisions but fine in the lower leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuthaMucker Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, the monk said: Can someone tell me why it is dangerous to stand in the top 2 divisions but fine in the lower leagues? Similarly, can someone tell me why these rail seats are fitted all across Europe and they don't have any safety problems with them? In bigger stadiums too, Dortmund & Munich are two examples off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Sanderson Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Can also stand at the rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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