Mosborough-owl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 when i take part in something, watching or playing i do it because i want to be the best at it, i wouldn't enjoy if not. whats the point in taking part in something if you are going to settle for second best? if we get promoted ill want us to then try and finish mid table, then season after push on. yes i know it wont probably work out like that, but that what makes it entertaining for me personally. yeah playing in championship means more wins, but id rather be in the best division testing our self against the very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, toooldforthis said: What is it about the premiership that makes it the dream destination? Burnley 6pts above relegation, Middlesborough & Hull relegated...is this what we want to pay £35 per game to see for a season? I really enjoyed the twists and turns of our last League 1 campaign then we had a few seasons of abject misery, dross on the pitch and no feel good factor for the days after each struggling game. The past 2 seasons have been fantastic. Excitement, great football and some quality players. I've watched a few premiership games this season and they've left me cold. The football is technical, the players are very good, the passion almost zero...but if that's our holy grail, to really struggle week in week out as we watch the big boys compete for 4 giant prizes (Champions League places)...I'm not sure it's going to be that good an experience. £££££ - will help take out club to the next level. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and co. coming to Hillsborough. New/different away days. Pride - after 17 years in the wilderness, being a bit of a footballing embarrassment along the way, being back at the top table of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetheredgeOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, OwlofOliveGrove said: I'm sorry but nobody in our fan base would be complaining if we got promoted. Premiership deprecating threads are just a way to pretend we don't care when we're heartbroken. Let's just admit it and move on to the next shot! I completely agree. And neither would I :) I'm simply saying that if Wednesday went up and it became season after season of struggle, the excitement of being back in the Premier League might thaw very quickly. If the club goes up, there needs to be a plan in place to stay there and then start progressing. Out of interest, what are the realistic mid-term expectations of Wednesday fans if promotion was gained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 We get to the PL and DC can rightly start getting something back on his investment. Until then there's only so long he can (with FFP) and will keep pumping the money in. In the back of his mind he must have thought when he bought the club that if we aren't promoted by a certain date he'd probably look to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlofOliveGrove Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, NetheredgeOwl said: I completely agree. And neither would I :) I'm simply saying that if Wednesday went up and it became season after season of struggle, the excitement of being back in the Premier League might thaw very quickly. If the club goes up, there needs to be a plan in place to stay there and then start progressing. Out of interest, what are the realistic mid-term expectations of Wednesday fans if promotion was gained? My expectation would be survival for the first couple/few seasons, then build from there. Definitely wouldn't be expecting European football any time soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetheredgeOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: £££££ - will help take out club to the next level. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and co. coming to Hillsborough. New/different away days. Pride - after 17 years in the wilderness, being a bit of a footballing embarrassment along the way, being back at the top table of the game. Yes and no. £££££ didn’t take QPR, Hull City or Middlesborough to the next level. And £££££ didn’t prevent Villa and Newcastle United, two of the best supported sides in the country, being relegated. And what of Sunderland? Massive fan base, huge revenue streams but utterly awful on the pitch, year after year. Money is all well and good but it must be used in the right way. I completely agree with you point about pride. Wednesday are a big club and Sheffield is a football hotbed, steeped in history. It needs to be represented at the top table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Owl 2 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I'm guessing half the league is too tinpot for a team out of it for 17 years. Surely the point of a team is to progress and aim to be the best. Aiming to stay in 2nd division is a laughable concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, NetheredgeOwl said: Yes and no. £££££ didn’t take QPR, Hull City or Middlesborough to the next level. And £££££ didn’t prevent Villa and Newcastle United, two of the best supported sides in the country, being relegated. And what of Sunderland? Massive fan base, huge revenue streams but utterly awful on the pitch, year after year. Money is all well and good but it must be used in the right way. I completely agree with you point about pride. Wednesday are a big club and Sheffield is a football hotbed, steeped in history. It needs to be represented at the top table. I should have been more accurate, apologies. I was mainly thinking about infrastructure. Such things as Hillsborough being well behind Villa/Newcastle/Sunderland/Boro in terms on modern football/business use. Our training facilities - improved, but still well short of most of the clubs mentioned above. Scouting network/Youth set up - again, all improving, but more finance would accelerate the improvement. Our branding - more money and exposure gets us in markets we aren't in (and probably never will be as a Championship club), which generates more cash/exposure, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallorcaOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The whole point of playing and watching competitive sport is to win, not at all costs, but to win. If we are saying that we would prefer to stay in the Championship then we are preparing to fail. We need to aim for the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetheredgeOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: I should have been more accurate, apologies. I was mainly thinking about infrastructure. Such things as Hillsborough being well behind Villa/Newcastle/Sunderland/Boro in terms on modern football/business use. Our training facilities - improved, but still well short of most of the clubs mentioned above. Scouting network/Youth set up - again, all improving, but more finance would accelerate the improvement. Our branding - more money and exposure gets us in markets we aren't in (and probably never will be as a Championship club), which generates more cash/exposure, and so on. Can't argue with this. With regards the stadium. Hillsborough is one of the finest 'old fashioned' grounds in the country. However, there is huge scope for redevelopment. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend watching his promotional video, outlining the potential changes to Hillsborough, had England secured the 2018 World Cup. It manages to modify the ground without compromising its essential character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 minute ago, NetheredgeOwl said: Can't argue with this. With regards the stadium. Hillsborough is one of the finest 'old fashioned' grounds in the country. However, there is huge scope for redevelopment. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I recommend watching his promotional video, outlining the potential changes to Hillsborough, had England secured the 2018 World Cup. It manages to modify the ground without compromising its essential character. Yes please! Sadly, I can't see that level of development happening unless we get promoted - hence being so desperate to get promoted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetheredgeOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 This link is much better. Couldn't work out how to replace the other one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I appreciate people trying to comfort themselves by saying they didn't want Premiership football anyway but let's be honest testing ourselves against the best players and managers in the world would be an amazing opportunity. One I would love to experience in my life time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 What a ridiculous post this is. We should want to play and challenge ourselves against the very best in the country and in Europe. Having teams like Burton and Charlton bring about 200 fans really makes me proud to say I'm a Wednesday fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Top seven in Premiership Chelsea Spurs Man City Liverpool Arsenal Man U Everton Brilliant, great to have these teams back at Hillsborough again. Would they play a full strength side against us? Probably. Would our attendances increase? possibly due to increased away support, but I very much doubt many more home fans would attend. You have to imagine all these games would be category A, so top prices would be charged. Then you have.. West Brom Southampton Stoke Bournemouth Swansea Crystal Palace West Ham Burnley Watford Leicester Newcastle Brighton Hudds/Reading Now they aren't very inspiring games are they? I can't see them getting any higher attendances than what we already have. Those clubs really, bar say West Ham and Newcastle, are no bigger than Aston Villa, Sunderland, Derby, Leeds, Wolves, Forest, Birmingham, Fulham, Norwich, QPR. I also think the premiership money would rip away any last ' family' feeling that we have at our club. More mercenaries arriving to play in the Premiership who haven't got a cklue about our club, and you can forget about home grown players like Palmer, Wildsmith and - yes- George Hirst coming through. A manager wouldn't dare gamble with youth in the quest to stay up there. Maybe I'm trying to convince myself, but surely the Championship aint all that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 You need an aim. I want to see us up there. A chance to go to the best grounds in the country with your club and compete with the best in the land. Or we could stay in this league suffering Play Off heartache or finishing mid table. No brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 No. Premier league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Tankisco Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr Farrell said: Cash for the squad. Cash for the ground. Cash for facilities. A season or 2 with the big boys can set a club up finiancially for 10 years if done correctly. That's far too sensible a comment for on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Of course we want to be in the PL, but realistically where do we go once we get there? The top 6-7 is usually a closed shop unless someone like Leicester has a freakishly good season, so even if you manage to build up to be established rather than just battling relegation every year it must be amazingly boring to watch sides like Stoke and WBA every week, I get bored just watching the odd game of theirs on TV. I really don't know why those middling sides don't have a real go at one or both of the cups just for a bit of excitement but no they still rest players for the next big PL game against Watford and often get knocked out by lower league sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The Championship is a great league but ultimately you want to test yourselves at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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