dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 10 hours ago, AwokenGiant said: Nowt ever changes- some reeyt drama queens on here. Without doubt the best manager we've had in 20 odd year and as soon as we have a freakish result people are calling for his head. Nothing more than keyboard-happy reactional opinions. Let's wait until Christmas and open this debate again, be interesting to see how relevant most of these comments are. i'm far from sure 'he's the best manager we've had in 20 odd year'... HE'S LIKELY HAD WAY MORE MONEY TO SPEND THAN ANY MANAGER IN THE LAST 20 ODD YEAR... 'freakish result' which one? the no show with 'ull?, the l**ds debacle?, falling to the mighty barca ooops! i meant burton?, or the 15 minutes we bossed it, then lost it at brum? HE IS short on tactics (my guess that's why he's had the peddler a dozen times before) and we've been sussed over it (the old anti arsenal 2 banks of 4)... rowett shat all over his plans after 15 minutes at brum, and carlos had nothing at all tactically to come back with... it's neither your or my decision on when to call time, but i hope we both understand that DC is a business man, not a wednesday or carlos supporter, and he will decide when and how... if we can still stumble on winning as many as we lose, then yes get nearer Christmas, but if i were the owner i'd be very reluctant to give him the january t/f window... i mean how many more smallish midfielders can you get in a Christmas stocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 9 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: without a doubt? Cos he got us to 6th in the championship? We've had a few managers achieve promotions and win relegation battles that exceed that Subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC1Owl Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 9 points from the last 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Had a bit of time to think about this. We've accumulated some good players, though perhaps not enough of them to sweep all and sundry aside. We also refuse to approach games tactically on merit, which sometimes means that our play can be a bit naive against organised opponents. No matter, we will win more games than we lose, but it's likely to be more of the same, a pretty mixed bag. Entertaining, but not perhaps the stuff of promotion winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 16 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Had a bit of time to think about this. We've accumulated some good players, though perhaps not enough of them to sweep all and sundry aside. We also refuse to approach games tactically on merit, which sometimes means that our play can be a bit naive against organised opponents. No matter, we will win more games than we lose, but it's likely to be more of the same, a pretty mixed bag. Entertaining, but not perhaps the stuff of promotion winners bang on... old east german/missionary position with lights off carlos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I do think he only has the one idea about how the game should be played. He's written a book about it and as far as he's concerned, it's the 'right' way. If it doesn't work, I'm not sure he knows what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, owlinexile said: I do think he only has the one idea about how the game should be played. He's written a book about it and as far as he's concerned, it's the 'right' way. If it doesn't work, I'm not sure he knows what to do. To a certain extent, but he embraced a different system until he came here. In fact, most of the signings were to facilitate a three man central midfield, including a ball winner. He only changed it after 7 games last season Edited September 24, 2016 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think the same should apply win or loss. We (and Carlos) are on a knife edge in games, late goals seemingly either buying him kudos or costing him a great deal. Im not sure he can afford to rely on the current approach all season, but I think he will try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 35 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Had a bit of time to think about this. We've accumulated some good players, though perhaps not enough of them to sweep all and sundry aside. We also refuse to approach games tactically on merit, which sometimes means that our play can be a bit naive against organised opponents. No matter, we will win more games than we lose, but it's likely to be more of the same, a pretty mixed bag. Entertaining, but not perhaps the stuff of promotion winners bang on... old east german/missionary position with lights off carlos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, owlinexile said: I do think he only has the one idea about how the game should be played. He's written a book about it and as far as he's concerned, it's the 'right' way. If it doesn't work, I'm not sure he knows what to do. i bet it's a f***** small book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On 17/09/2016 at 22:21, theowlsman said: Is it worth me mentioning again?... Money + quality players + patience = success Patience being the operative word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I cannot for the life of me understand why Buckley doesn't get a run. CC insists on playing his favourite familiar faces. Palmer was dropped after 3 good games. Wallace has no pace & no right foot. Reach is wasted at left back. Yet, on the other hand, he makes subs that change the game & is as passionate as they come. We keep getting out of jail at home, but our away form is poor. A proper Jekyll & Hyde team. CC is the potion. Can't work him out at all. The quality of our play seems to depend on the opposition. Against Villa, Norwich & Brum, we raised our game. But won, drew & lost. Against Wigan, BC & Forest we started crap & won all 3! A proper conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I'm fairly philosophical, I'd prefer Carlos to be a little more pragmatic on occasions, but you have to accept that, it isn't his style. As I said, we have some very good players, but I can see that we probably don't have enough of them to sweep all before us. Consequently then, winning more than we lose, while playing entertaining football, is probably the best we can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 7 hours ago, dnhc said: i'm far from sure 'he's the best manager we've had in 20 odd year'... HE'S LIKELY HAD WAY MORE MONEY TO SPEND THAN ANY MANAGER IN THE LAST 20 ODD YEAR... 'freakish result' which one? the no show with 'ull?, the l**ds debacle?, falling to the mighty barca ooops! i meant burton?, or the 15 minutes we bossed it, then lost it at brum? HE IS short on tactics (my guess that's why he's had the peddler a dozen times before) and we've been sussed over it (the old anti arsenal 2 banks of 4)... rowett shat all over his plans after 15 minutes at brum, and carlos had nothing at all tactically to come back with... it's neither your or my decision on when to call time, but i hope we both understand that DC is a business man, not a wednesday or carlos supporter, and he will decide when and how... if we can still stumble on winning as many as we lose, then yes get nearer Christmas, but if i were the owner i'd be very reluctant to give him the january t/f window... i mean how many more smallish midfielders can you get in a Christmas stocking? Haha you really think Brum got on top after 15mins????? We totally dominated for 35minutes then we let the tempo drop and they got back in it but Brum were only on top after they went with 2 big lumps up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just now, coopswfc76 said: Haha you really think Brum got on top after 15mins????? We totally dominated for 35minutes then we let the tempo drop and they got back in it but Brum were only on top after they went with 2 big lumps up top. we opened them at will for the first 15 minutes... then they appeared to drop a defensive m/f into the hole in front of their defence and we'd done... we made more chances in the first 15 minute than in the entire rest of the game... HAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, dnhc said: we opened them at will for the first 15 minutes... then they appeared to drop a defensive m/f into the hole in front of their defence and we'd done... we made more chances in the first 15 minute than in the entire rest of the game... HAHA! Really I'm amazed I might watch the game back then as one of us is talking poo poo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 He's still not got the balance quite right. good win but we'll need to be much better v Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 31 minutes ago, coopswfc76 said: Really I'm amazed I might watch the game back then as one of us is talking poo poo. we tore them apart for the first 15... i watched thinking how many will we score when we actually break through? then we went flat in front of their defence... moving it constantly left to right, right to left with very little penetration... undoubtably 'the clappers' and 'tiptap' boys would be in ecstasy as the number of sideways passes mounted... and perhaps this is what actually confused you... you may have mistaken having the ball and effing around with it all day with lil or no penetration as 'domination'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 still no consistency from CC. Same mistakes again and again. Some good managers available right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 So this stupid, monumentally brain dead thread will appear after every loss will it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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