Guest ka58 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Let's hope it goes well. I think it's completely bizarre but suppose we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richowl Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Once again Nixon is right... head coach sham67 has just chucked his toys out of the pram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Obviously announced it at this time as the players are back in training tommorow. It would look daft if photos are released on the Internet of him taking the training before it got announced, even if we all knew he had the job.So why announce it so late when he got the job 2 weeks ago? And why can't the press conference be tomorrow? If he's got time to take training he's got time to give a conference. Just seems so fishy and such a bizarre way of doing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mutha Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Happening Status: It's I like this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCE LEE Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What makes you so sure we even contemplated Cooper? I'm all for pretending it never happened if you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fife_owl Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I'm guessing the press conference coincides with Mr. C's next visit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So we really did contemplate changing the set up just to get Cooper on board Bizarre Don't read it quite like that myself. The oracle that is Nixon (and I think a few others, but can't remember who) suggested that Chansiri wanted an English coach on the team. For whatever reason, we became infatuated with Cooper, and to try and get him onboard we offered him a title of Head Coach (but what in old money was perhaps more commonly known as First Team Coach). Carvalhal was always going to pick the team etc - if we had offered Cooper that he'd have jumped at the chance. But obviously Cooper doesn't wish to trade down from manager at Swindon to just a coach here, which is fair enough I suppose. Why we chased him so hard to become a coach is quite bizarre though, I'll give you that! Wouldn't surprise me if Mike Marsh (coach from Liverpool that Daily Mail reported we were in for earlier) rocks up at some point to do the exact role Cooper would have done, but just with the normal title for his job (coach!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroswfc Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Thanks to Soccerway I've managed to find these managerial stats: Leixoes S.C. -11 wins, 4 draws, 1 lost (Not the full record) Vitoria fc -18 wins, 10 draw, 6 lost Belenenses - 18 wins, 7 draw, 21 lost SC Braga - 6 wins, 2 draws, 5 lost Beira Mar - 1 win, 2 draw 3 lost Vitoria FC - 15 wins, 8 draws, 8 lost Asteras Tripoli - 1 win, 2 draws, 2 lost Maritimo - 3 wins, 5 draws, 9 lost Sporting Lisbon - 16 wins, 7 draws, 10 lost besiktas - 22 wins, 9 draws 15 lost Istanbul - 2 wins, 2 draw, 7 lost 258 games, 113 wins, 58 draws, 87 lost Couldnt find out anything when he was at Espino (1998/99), Freamunde (2000) and Aves (2000/01) . That to me dosen't look Impressive but then you look at the rest of his history: Portuguese SuperCup Finalist, 2 Promotions from 2nd tier Into 1st tier, Secured Europa League four times and 1 relegation. I'm split on this, not sure If he's gonna be good or bad but will get behind him. First ever foreign Head Coach Welcome to Hillsborough and good luck Carlos Carvalhal, Joao Mario, Joao Cunha and Bruno Lage. Edited June 30, 2015 by aeroswfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancobian Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 People go on about a lack of CV....a lack of experience. That's testicles. Everyone has to start off somewhere. Most managers begin without much to their name.., just an idea of how they want to do things. They only way CC is going to build a CV and gain experience is by a team taking a punt on him. He's never managed in this country before. English football is completely different to football in Portugal. We have no idea how he will do. He could flourish or flounder. The same as EVERY manager. In reality, EVERY manager is a risk...just the same as every player is a risk. There's no guarantees in football. Forget about Gray, forget about how long we've had to wait for CC's appointment. Just move forward and back the man in charge & the players signed until they give us reason to do otherwise. So in everyday life a 36 year old who's never kept a job for 5 minutes is as good as someone who's been successful and loyal to a few employers? Success cannot be guaranteed in football whoever you bring in, but making a calculated decision based on previous success, methodology and loyalty is usually the way to go to. It's common sense. Carvahal is a total punt and his backgroung shows he won't be here for long. I'll get behind him but I think next season is going to be an expensive learning curve for Chansiri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeeeeJ Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Someone mention how excited the physio was yesterday about the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I'm guessing the press conference coincides with Mr. C's next visit?Is he in Thailand presumably? 5am there, odd time to draft a statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I'm guessing the press conference coincides with Mr. C's next visit? Shh, that's far too logical an explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Don't know owt about this CC. Entering into a new era. Going to give him, Chansiri, Roader,and the rest if the committee / coaches a chance before writing them off. It's a shame some of the tools in our fan base can't do the same. I'm looking forward to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sleeps for wimps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sefton owl Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Can anyone provide a reasonable justification as to why this has taken so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I'm all for pretending it never happened if you areThere will actually be some on here who will try and whitewash over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Don't read it quite like that myself. The oracle that is Nixon (and I think a few others, but can't remember who) suggested that Chansiri wanted an English coach on the team. For whatever reason, we became infatuated with Cooper, and to try and get him onboard we offered him a title of Head Coach (but what in old money was perhaps more commonly known as First Team Coach). Carvalhal was always going to pick the team etc - if we had offered Cooper that he'd have jumped at the chance. But obviously Cooper doesn't wish to trade down from manager at Swindon to just a coach here, which is fair enough I suppose. Why we chased him so hard to become a coach is quite bizarre though, I'll give you that! Wouldn't surprise me if Mike Marsh (coach from Liverpool that Daily Mail reported we were in for earlier) rocks up at some point to do the exact role Cooper would have done, but just with the normal title for his job (coach!). That is plausible and would explain the delays but who knows? Probably we will never find out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 At least the players know who their coach is before the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandwhitematt Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 So in everyday life a 36 year old who's never kept a job for 5 minutes is as good as someone who's been successful and loyal to a few employers? Success cannot be guaranteed in football whoever you bring in, but making a calculated decision based on previous success, methodology and loyalty is usually the way to go to. It's common sense. Carvahal is a total punt and his backgroung shows he won't be here for long. I'll get behind him but I think next season is going to be an expensive learning curve for Chansiri. Radio Sheffield interviewed a Portuguese (I think) football pundit a few weeks ago, someone who knows far more about the football culture over there than you and me. He suggested that it was very common for managers to have short reigns in Portgual (and on the continent in general), it was just how they did things. Its quite interesting to listen to, and he suggested that it should not be a concern to us that Carvalhal had lots of clubs for perhaps only a year or so at a time. Its not an indicator of him being a rubbish coach or anything like that. We only think its weird over here because its not how its traditionally been done in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 posted this earlier but this guy seems to have got some decent experience © linkedink Bruno Lage Coach Al Ahli F.C. Dubai August 2012– Present (2 years 11 months)Season 13 / 14 - Reserve TeamSeason 12 / 13 – Under-19 (Open)1 recommendation Manuel Gomes Controller (Account and Taxes) at Siemens, SABruno is a big trainer with a vast technical knowledge. I consider a big driver of teams Worked with him in the Sport Lisbon and Benfica and know well his workView Coach Sport Lisboa e Benfica July 2004– July 2012(8 years 1 month)Season 11 / 12 – Under-17Season 10 / 11 – Under-17Season 09 / 10 – Under-17Season 08 / 09 – Under-15Season 07 / 08 – Under-15Season 06 / 07 – Under-19Season 05 / 06 – Under-17 and Under-11Season 04 / 05 – Under-16 and Under-11 Education Football Federation of England UEFA Study Group - Elite Youth Football 2012– 2012Activities and Societies: Theorical and practical sessions with the English FA national teams and coaches, Chelsea FC, Reading FC and Watford FC. (Including visits to Chelsea Academy and Reading Academy). Football Federation of Portugal UEFA Basic Licence, Football Instituto Superior de Ciências da Saúde-Sul Bachelor of Science (BSc), Sciences of Physical Education, Health and Sports Honors & AwardsAdditional Honors & AwardsSport Lisboa e BenficaSeason 2011-2012Named “Coach of the Yearâ€, on the 108th Sport Lisboa e Benfica anniversary GalaSeason 2010-2011Winner of the U17 national championshipSeason 2009-2010Named “Coach of the Yearâ€, on the 106th Sport Lisboa e Benfica anniversary GalaSeason 2008-2009Winner of the U15 national championshipSeason 2005-2006Winner of the U11 championshipWinner of the Dunluce Trophy at Milk Cup - International Youth Football Tournament - U17, Northern IrelandSeason 2004-2005Winner of the U11 championshipEstrela Futebol Clube, de Vendas NovasSeason 2002-2003Runner-up of the 3rd Division-F Series; promotion to the 2nd Division B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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