pgmetcalf Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Sure but to sit back and defend a one goal lead against that side is criminal. We invited them to attack which gives an opportunity for penalties, lucky goals and errors from defenders. Poor tactics costs us 2 points Been doing that for years, which is even more criminal. There is far too much money involved in football, if not directly, for people to take chances, just ask the Malaysion betting syndicates. Football is not a fair game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark77 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Millwall wasn't a penalty. He just threw himself to the floor and the lino bought it. As for Antonio, I was at that'll end of the ground and Bywater managed to knock the ball behind with his hand, correct decision a corner. However the earlier one when Antonio was tripped was a penalty. Both the ref and Lino gave a goal kick which annoys me. They clearly admit the defender didnt get the ball by giving a goal kick! Surely it's a penalty or a corner?? Number of times I see that! The one incident not mentioned was Redas disallowed goal. I had a clear view and Bywater just dropped the ball under pressure, a good goal. We were robbed as per usual. Edited August 25, 2013 by mark77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtheowl Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I was on my way to the loo and I saw the push, sorry but it was a penalty.That must av been the loo at home, because you clearly didn't go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Very Drew Talbotesque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The ref didn't even consult his linesman, the linesman had to attract his attention. The ref was right on top of it and never reacted - usually they are quick to blow and point. Gutted about this - yes we have tactical concerns but sometimes you win the hard way. You win by playing poor sides, good sides and win despite your shortcomings. Cardiff beat us last year with millions of poundsworth of talent yet played the worst football I have seen all season. Really fucked off by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Am I alone in not being too bothered about the tactical change? The tactic change didnt happen at half time - it happened 5-10 mins before half time. The small dark haired forward was constantly dropping into midfield and making a three with Derry and the other CM, making it 3 vs 2 in Millwalls favour. Derry was sitting deep and acting like a quarterback in acres of space to pass it round us. If Millwall had gone on to dominate possesion and score goals because of it then it would have been DJs fault that he didnt spot this and change it. It worked as well, as second half they couldnt pass through or round us so resorted to hoofing it, which we coped ok with until a dodgy pen is given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharrowowl Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Just seen replay of antonio 'foul' by their defender on Wednesday player and certainly think that was a good shout. Looks like he missed the ball and just chopped Antonio. The reda disallowed goal just looked like bywater stuffed it up and got the benefit of the doubt. Edited August 25, 2013 by sharrowowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Was a penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J N F Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 What a load of crap. Firstly it wasn't a pen. I don't blame the change either, Milwall were pushing up and causing us problems so he took Nuhiu off (absolutely no threat in a counter attacking situation) and put pace up top with Antonio, and it worked if it wasn't for Antonio's abysmal display in front of goal we should of been out of site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Am I alone in not being too bothered about the tactical change? The tactic change didnt happen at half time - it happened 5-10 mins before half time. The small dark haired forward was constantly dropping into midfield and making a three with Derry and the other CM, making it 3 vs 2 in Millwalls favour. Derry was sitting deep and acting like a quarterback in acres of space to pass it round us. If Millwall had gone on to dominate possesion and score goals because of it then it would have been DJs fault that he didnt spot this and change it. It worked as well, as second half they couldnt pass through or round us so resorted to hoofing it, which we coped ok with until a dodgy pen is given. Good point, although the nuhiu sub wound me up and put us under pressure. Lavery looked ok though. I'm still gutted about yesterday, I just got an ominous feeling that we may find points hard to come by against the better teams if we are as sloppy as that defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Never a pen in a million years Attwell is an abomination of a referee we have gone in the space of a week from a Premier Ref who was excellent to a Premier Ref who gave one of the most inept displays i've ever seen. i thought both Antonio incidents were pens. Im amazed no one has highlighted the elbow by N'Guessen on Palmer Attwell was 2 yards away, indicated an elbow so saw it clearly as i did and yet gave a yellow, when was a deliberate elbow to the head a yellow card offence. I dont say that Attwell cost us the game we manage that all by ourselves but i do say he's a crap referee who shouldn't be allowed to ref in a Pub League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl In Black Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 If anyone watched motd cant remember which game but there was an identical challenge if not worse and nothing given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) I thought it was a penalty and I was sat about 20 yards away from it, I also thought they had a good shout for a pen not long before that too. I would have been furious if it was us and we didn't get the penalty (which I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have) Edited August 25, 2013 by Blueblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 It was a stupid challenge as the player was going to the touchline and Helan just had to jockey him as he was going nowhere...it could have been avoided...agree with the blatant elbow on Palmer how the **** can that be a yellow card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Sure but to sit back and defend a one goal lead against that side is criminal. We invited them to attack which gives an opportunity for penalties, lucky goals and errors from defenders. Poor tactics costs us 2 points True assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richowl Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 It was a pen. Helan fvcked up...the lad was going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UpTheOwlsss Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 If anyone watched motd cant remember which game but there was an identical challenge if not worse and nothing given. Curtis Davies on Michael turner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest james.taylor1982 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Look at Helans positioning, they wasn't going anywhere he shouldn't of even put a foot in, players know going in from behind they are gonna be risking it, pointless challenge. Edited August 25, 2013 by james.taylor1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 He didnt put a foot in. But apart from that - good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakefieldowl Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Well, I've had it running backwards and forwards on Sky Plus now for the last 5 mins and I still can't see a push - Helan had his hands by his side. Thats also how I saw it from the Kop. I think in peoples (understandable) desperation to criticise following our awful tactical change at half time - they are desperate to justify it by being unfair about the penalty. It wasn't a penalty in anyones eyes other than the linesman - which is why the referee didnt give it either. Ok I won't read anymore than the op but I bet £10 to a penny that someone will ave posted that it was a penalty. It's so obvious. I will apologise if that's not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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