Geedee Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Does anybody know what was the proper price for a normal ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, 83owl said: Would have to be pretty good cctv or bodycam footage to distinguish between a fake ticket from a real one. I guess you scan a ticket these days to get entry? They should have some sort of logs from this system that shows how many tickets were rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Travel and tickets from @RichardArlisson.co.uk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddle93 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Buck Rogers said: In total agreement. I don't get it either. If Wednesday ever got a Euro final, or even any big game really, if i couldn't get a ticket through the official channels then I'd stay at home and watch it on TV. At no point would I think 'sod it, I'll go anyways, spend loads on travel, accommodation and food and drink then pay way over face value for a fake from some random website / bloke outside the stadium or just gatecrash my way in and then look forward to getting into a fight with the guy who bought his seat legitimately.' Is that the thought process? Or am I missing something? Infairness I've done England games, BIG boxing events buying from touts and never had a problem. This is Scousers taking it to another level with the fake tickets as they must know it won't work on the scanner and just hoping pure numbers means they will let everybody in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddle93 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 31 minutes ago, Skyline said: I guess you scan a ticket these days to get entry? They should have some sort of logs from this system that shows how many tickets were rejected. Would it even register anything if not a legit ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Waddle93 said: Would it even register anything if not a legit ticket? I assume it will. Because the ticket will still have a barcode/QR code of some sort... So it will register as denied (or should do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, 0wl18 said: I take it you’ve not seen the videos of the French police pepper spraying patient crowds of fans? I have no problem calling out any fans that broke the rules but, the way football fans as a whole are treat is horrendous, regardless of who the clubs involved are. Do you think pepper spraying an innocent by stander wearing a Liverpool shirt is acceptable because SOME morons have fake tickets? The vast majority of the fans there on Saturday evening were victims. When we start realising that instead of cheap point scoring, we may get some traction. I heard numerous reports in the radio of journalists being bundled into rooms and, forced to delete footage of how the authorities were dealing with the situation. I have no way to verify this information but, if true, what does it say about what was really going off Saturday? I acknowledged that french police heavy handed, fault on both sides. The narrative that Liverpool fans are blameless though is my gripe. Always the victims and their fans behaviour excused as a minority, therefore not worthy of scrutiny, or because of the actions of someone else. If we excuse Liverpool fans because of police action, why can't police action be excused by the few morons. Hopefully the news cycle will move on after today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0wl18 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, striker said: I acknowledged that french police heavy handed, fault on both sides. The narrative that Liverpool fans are blameless though is my gripe. Always the victims and their fans behaviour excused as a minority, therefore not worthy of scrutiny, or because of the actions of someone else. If we excuse Liverpool fans because of police action, why can't police action be excused by the few morons. Hopefully the news cycle will move on after today. Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 We're looking at it from an angle of British soft touch, let them do what they want public order policing. French police have been in riots most weekends for the last few years so know what they're doing. If a bit of pepper spray can quickly stop a few gobby chancers escalating and turning into a Wembley situation or even a full blown riot or crush, then go for it. Pepper spray and CS gas isn't generally harmful(unless you're unlucky with allergiew etc.), it just hurts for a bit. More people have cried about the tear gas than from it. Yes, the police upset a few people, but the game finished with no really serious incidents, so job well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddle93 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 44 minutes ago, Skyline said: I assume it will. Because the ticket will still have a barcode/QR code of some sort... So it will register as denied (or should do) Possibly then but I thought if it's just numbers printed it wouldn't even attempt to scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1867owl Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said: We're looking at it from an angle of British soft touch, let them do what they want public order policing. French police have been in riots most weekends for the last few years so know what they're doing. If a bit of pepper spray can quickly stop a few gobby chancers escalating and turning into a Wembley situation or even a full blown riot or crush, then go for it. Pepper spray and CS gas isn't generally harmful(unless you're unlucky with allergiew etc.), it just hurts for a bit. More people have cried about the tear gas than from it. Yes, the police upset a few people, but the game finished with no really serious incidents, so job well done. Disagree - indiscriminate pepper spraying of innocent fans going about their business is bang out of order and terrible policing. The fact that it does no long lasting damage isn't relevant. The French coppers were an absolute disgrace by the sounds of it (and from what I've seen). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Having witnessed the events at the Euro 2020 final. How would you police an event involving thousands of English football fans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddle93 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 So we have French police saying they have done nothing wrong with French authorities blaming Liverpool fans. Also we have Liverpool fans blaming the French police and claiming Liverpool fans did nothing wrong. I'll hazard a guess the truth is somewhere in the middle let's not start pretending some French police aren't ruthless or that some Liverpool fans won't have been trying to blag there way in with or without a fake ticket. We won't ever be able to have a sensible chat about anything and resolve the issues because nobody will admit yes we did contribute to the situation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 There's a pattern when Liverpool play European finals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0wl18 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sham67 said: Having witnessed the events at the Euro 2020 final. How would you police an event involving thousands of English football fans? Half of the battle is having competent stewards. Unfortunately you don’t get those by paying close to minimum wage and, employing kids straight out of school. Event management is a specialist sector. Unfortunately the ones making millions don’t see it this way and pay peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, 1867owl said: Disagree - indiscriminate pepper spraying of innocent fans going about their business is bang out of order and terrible policing. The fact that it does no long lasting damage isn't relevant. The French coppers were an absolute disgrace by the sounds of it (and from what I've seen). What's to say it was indiscriminate? They're not stupid, they may be using it at the slightest provocation, but there will be provocation. Spraying a few of the more gobby or lairy ones early will usually stop a lot of the issues before it escalates into something much worse. What we've seen is short, out of context, narrow field of view clips, usually from someone pushing an agenda. They were heavy handed, by our standards, but there's no smoke without fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, bladeshater said: There's a pattern when Liverpool play Slight correction made there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1867owl Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said: What's to say it was indiscriminate? They're not stupid, they may be using it at the slightest provocation, but there will be provocation. Spraying a few of the more gobby or lairy ones early will usually stop a lot of the issues before it escalates into something much worse. What we've seen is short, out of context, narrow field of view clips, usually from someone pushing an agenda. They were heavy handed, by our standards, but there's no smoke without fire. Some of the videos I've seen on Twitter definitely show indiscriminate mistreatment of the Scousers. I've made the point in earlier posts that I reckon the Scousers were definitely at fault for issues on Saturday, but fair's fair to look at it both ways and the coppers looked like they handled it abysmally also. No group comes out of this looking good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, bladeshater said: There's a pattern when Liverpool play European finals Bang on mate The British media will never acknowledge it though.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, 1867owl said: Some of the videos I've seen on Twitter definitely show indiscriminate mistreatment of the Scousers. I've made the point in earlier posts that I reckon the Scousers were definitely at fault for issues on Saturday, but fair's fair to look at it both ways and the coppers looked like they handled it abysmally also. No group comes out of this looking good. From our perspective it is mistreatment. Look at it from the French point of view. Fans storming Wembley. Terrorist attack on Stade de France. Weekly yellow jacket riots. History of Liverpool fans. The police will have intelligence related to all of this, and will act accordingly. From a French POV, what's worse? A few fans whinging about pepper spray? Or a Wembley incident with hundreds if fans storming the ground or heaven forbid, a Hillsborough situation? A few angry twitter posts are a small price to pay for even the tiniest chance of the second happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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