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4 hours ago, 83owl said:

Would have to be pretty good cctv or bodycam footage to distinguish between a fake ticket from a real one.

I meant the 30 to 40 thousand fans rather than the tickets. All of em getting turned away from the turnstiles  in the space of a couple of hours. 

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15 minutes ago, Tewkesbury said:

From our perspective it is mistreatment.

 

Look at it from the French point of view.

Fans storming Wembley.

Terrorist attack on Stade de France.

Weekly yellow jacket riots.

History of Liverpool fans.

 

The police will have intelligence related to all of this, and will act accordingly.

 

From a French POV, what's worse?

A few fans whinging about pepper spray?

Or a Wembley incident with hundreds if fans storming the ground or heaven forbid, a Hillsborough situation?

 

A few angry twitter posts are a small price to pay for even the tiniest chance of the second happening.

 

Yeah fair points

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Spoke to a colleague who was there as part of his job…so corporate seat in a premium area

 

Said the taxi was stopped on the motorway as there was unbelievable traffic and told them if wanted to go to the game then they should get out here and hop over the barrier to join the queue (which they did)

 

Once in the queue they had to go through 10 sets of pat downs and ticket checks which was the cause of the crush.

 

During the melee near the gates he said lots of occasions of people having their QR codes on their phones taken a picture of and used meaning those with valid tickets couldn’t get in, as it had already been used. One partner of UEFA had 50 corporate employees locked out of the game for this reason.
 

Fans with valid tickets were then also jumping over fences due to tickets not working. 
 

Unofficial reports are that around 15k without tickets made it in. 

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59 minutes ago, McRightSide said:


See my post above as to why lots of tickets not working / ‘fake’ tickets

 

That would explain it so extra 15k were definitely milling around and clearly you can see on some pictures that Liverpool end was over flowing and people in gangways etc.

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30 to 40 thousand fans there without tickets or with fake tickets. That's a lot of fake tickets someone has printed out. I wonder if any of the fans that had them will come forward and say where they got them from? The French are saying that's what caused the problems, so if those fans hadn't been there or hadn't had fake tickets then there wouldn't have been an issue. Madrid fans got in fine so one assumes they didn't have the same numbers of ticketless/fake ticketed fans in the area. I still reckon they policed it on reputation which became a self fulfilling prophecy. 

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3 hours ago, McRightSide said:

Spoke to a colleague who was there as part of his job…so corporate seat in a premium area

 

Said the taxi was stopped on the motorway as there was unbelievable traffic and told them if wanted to go to the game then they should get out here and hop over the barrier to join the queue (which they did)

 

Once in the queue they had to go through 10 sets of pat downs and ticket checks which was the cause of the crush.

 

During the melee near the gates he said lots of occasions of people having their QR codes on their phones taken a picture of and used meaning those with valid tickets couldn’t get in, as it had already been used. One partner of UEFA had 50 corporate employees locked out of the game for this reason.
 

Fans with valid tickets were then also jumping over fences due to tickets not working. 
 

Unofficial reports are that around 15k without tickets made it in. 


Quote, “Interior minister Gérald Darmanin said "massive, industrial-scale" ticket fraud had caused Liverpool fans to turn up en masse, and said that of about 30 arrests made at the Stade de France "more than half concerned British citizens". He stated that there had been 30,000 to 40,000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without tickets outside the stadium.

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On 28/05/2022 at 20:19, edmontonowl said:

This game is being broadcast live around the world..............................great image for English football.

 

 

Carragher blaming the organization and now banging on about the Hillsborough cover up

Eye, but it wasn't the cover-up regarding ticket-less supporters I bet!

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2 hours ago, Sambo89 said:

Liverpool fans turn up without tickets, just like any other clubs fans do. The difference is, there are a lot more Liverpool fans who try to gain entry to the stadium without tickets. 

 

Reports saying the security staff are ill prepared for this amount of fans, surely though there are the right number of staff for the amount of tickets sold? The added pressure of fans without valid tickets trying to get in makes this a problem.

 

There are too many fans there for police to arrest to make a difference, so tear gas etc is used to deter and disperse. Unfortunately, genuine fans with tickets, and kids, also get caught up in this as the people who shouldn't be there ruin it for the people who should. 

 

Then, as soon as there's bother, Hillsborough gets brought back up, where Liverpool still receive 0% blame for the tragedy that happened.

 

On the radio yesterday, report about Liverpool fans getting tear gassed, then, here's whatever her name is from Justice for Hillsborough, or whatever the group's called. Boils my ********! 

 

The lesson is, don't try to get in without a ticket, and these things won't happen.

 

Why can't Liverpool fans seem to grasp this? And why do they never get any blame?

 

Christ I hate Liverpool!! 

From what I've heard the French FA and authorities are holding their hands up and saying we were to blame we got it wrong the police were too heavy handed. But we still get Liverpool supporters like the bloke from the Anfield wrap blog demanding an enquiry. Why do we need one when blame has already been accepted by those involved? Seems to be Liverpool's default setting when something involving them happens?

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Didn't an estimated 100k Rangers fans go to Seville without incident? Then again Scottish fans don't have the same reputation as English fans so maybe the Spanish police didn't think they needed to be on red alert for the match?

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55 minutes ago, alanharper said:

UEFA commissions an independent report into the incident

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61636938

 

 

And if it doesn't say what they want it to say, then Liverpool fans will just write their own, putting the blame on every single factor except themselves. Again. 

 

 

 

Independently written by Kenny Dalglish, that fella that wrote Brookside and John Bishop. 

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