Guest hirstysfags Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Grow a pair. Man up. How did we ever survive before the "nanny state"? Oh yes, that's right, most people didn't make it past 60 and if they did, they were in a pretty bad state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Why have we banned kids from smoking, eh? Let's give people the choice instead of wrapping them in cotton wool. What's next? Stopping kids driving cars, drinking alcohol, having sex or voting? Pfffft. Nanny state! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Giovanni Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I'd like to apologise for my honest opinion on this, I was wrong to bring this delicate subject up, so once again I'm sorry, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Daniele Giovanni said: I'd like to apologise for my honest opinion on this, I was wrong to bring this delicate subject up, so once again I'm sorry, I think it was the way you did it. Almost scorning of people wanting to help cut out brain injuries, dementia etc. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 13 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: There are loads of things which are bad for kids which we don't give them a choice about. Why should heading a football be any different? Now that research is suggesting a link between heading a ball and both dementia and CTE, you'd have to be pretty negligent to allow kids to continue doing it. If you say "What about" about everything that is wrong, nothing ever gets put right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Has there been any published papers to show that there is a correlation between heading a ball and having CTE and dementia? yes 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 12 hours ago, Mighty Quinn said: also the balls nowadays are much lighter than the old caseys so I don't think there would be as much danger. That's just not true at all mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 merging threads Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, RighthOwlon said: Are the risks still the same nowadays though, given footballs are so much lighter than they were even 10 years ago? I think, but I could be wrong, that the ball weight doesn't make much difference. I can't remember why though off the top of my head. Maybe it's to do with the difference in training methods and more heading of the ball in training than before. Anyway, Alan Shearer did a great investigation on it which you can watch here. It's over an hour long but very in-depth and very interesting. Edit: No irony intended btw, with the cannot remember/off the top of my head statement. Edited July 19, 2022 by ChapSmurf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: If you say "What about" about everything that is wrong, nothing ever gets put right. I'm not saying 'what about', though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Let's just put this one to bed (I did post this earlier in the thread but seems it might have been missed) It is true that footballs of previous eras were significantly heavier than today’s, but other changes in the sport – not least the pace at which the balls tend to travel – have offset the effects. “It’s the speed more than the weight that has the significance,” said Dr Willie Stewart, a consultant neuropathologist who leads a study in the field. “The modern ball stays light, but if you hit it and it travels faster and lands at a higher speed, it may be causing more problems. People suggest that because the ball is lighter, or that players are training at higher intensity, that the risk has gone away. There’s nothing to support that at all. Quite the opposite. Maybe it’s got worse.” To summarise - we can't just say things like the old balls were heavier and that's why the old footballers got brain damage 2 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: That's just not true at all mate They were in the fact they weren't waterproof so when it was wet, it bloody hurt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 28/07/2021 at 11:55, i used to be sc_owl said: *Waits for people to talk about how it was different back in the day when the ball weighed a ton* Just because something happened in the past, it doesn't mean we should keep on doing it in the future. It is Owlstalk after all. It's not full of spring chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Let's just put this one to bed (I did post this earlier in the thread but seems it might have been missed) It is true that footballs of previous eras were significantly heavier than today’s, but other changes in the sport – not least the pace at which the balls tend to travel – have offset the effects. “It’s the speed more than the weight that has the significance,” said Dr Willie Stewart, a consultant neuropathologist who leads a study in the field. “The modern ball stays light, but if you hit it and it travels faster and lands at a higher speed, it may be causing more problems. People suggest that because the ball is lighter, or that players are training at higher intensity, that the risk has gone away. There’s nothing to support that at all. Quite the opposite. Maybe it’s got worse.” To summarise - we can't just say things like the old balls were heavier and that's why the old footballers got brain damage Have you watched that documentary? It's really intreresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, ChapSmurf said: Have you watched that documentary? It's really intreresting. Yeah I did - like you say it's a must watch for anyone in this thread really 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I'm guessing them that are complaining probably haven't headed a ball everyday for near on 30 years of their life and are now suffering mental illness because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapSmurf Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, @owlstalk said: Yeah I did - like you say it's a must watch for anyone in this thread really Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I'm not saying 'what about', though... You didn't use the words "what about" but saying we don't need to do a thing about one bad thing because there are lots of other bad things going on is whataboutery. Edited July 19, 2022 by OxonOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, OxonOwl said: You didn't use the words "what about" but saying we don't need to do a thing about one bad thing because there are lots of other bad things going on is whataboutery. I didn't say that, either. Read my post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I didn't say that, either. Read my post again. LOL It must be the heat. I think I must have interpreted what you said as having the exact opposite meaning of what you meant. My apologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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