shandypants Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Yeh bulk of blame for Southgate but Rashford's penalty was atrocious It’s a lottery when it comes to penalties. Rashford has zero % blame - the lad was brave enough to stand up and be counted - the lad tried his best. Anyone blaming Rashford tonight is missing the point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I genuinely can't believe we've lost in this way, not the penalties, the fact we were leading and he thought we could simply defend that for 90mins. Someone said on here, they have faith Southgate won't make the same mistakes. I agreed. But he did. I don't think there are many players in that Italy team I'd swap for England. Does that just not say how bad the management is? Mancini can beat us with lesser players, even lost their star player, while we're at home? Southgate is a great man manager, he's knit the squad together well, he's sorted our issues out with the media too but we need a footballing manager now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, shandypants said: It’s a lottery when it comes to penalties. Rashford has zero % blame - the lad was brave enough to stand up and be counted - the lad tried his best. Anyone blaming Rashford tonight is missing the point. It's not a lottery, it's an important facet of the game that can be critiqued like any other part of the game. He paused for too long on the ball and got his angles completely wrong. Someone that can finish like him shouldn't have to rely on sending the keeper the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Saka’s first ever penalty in professional football? Disgraceful really he’s been given that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Boombox Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Lost it in the second half. Showed them too much respect. Feels like an opportunity missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, shandypants said: It’s a lottery when it comes to penalties. Rashford has zero % blame - the lad was brave enough to stand up and be counted - the lad tried his best. Anyone blaming Rashford tonight is missing the point. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but in my opinion if you decide to try to be clever with a penalty - whether it’s trying to tip-toe up and outwit the keeper or going for the Panenka - then you HAVE to score. I think it’s an arrogant tactic, and if you miss then you have to take responsibility for it. Don’t get me wrong, I respect any player for going up to take a penalty, but if you want to be absolved of blame then you have to take it without trying to be clever. Just my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: It's not a lottery, it's an important facet of the game that can be critiqued like any other part of the game. He paused for too long on the ball and got his angles completely wrong. Someone that can finish like him shouldn't have to rely on sending the keeper the wrong way. Oh come on! Stop blaming Rashford. If you’re going to blame Rashford then you should blame s Sancho and Saka also because their penalties were just as bad or even worse. The fact is that Rashford and Sancho had about two minutes of the game and then were expected to be “zoned in” enough to take penalties - a poor decision by Southgate plus the fact that Saka and Sancho are teenagers makes it an appalling decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I hope this is the end for that God awful footballs coming home song. Crappiest song ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF TAZ Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, punkskaphil said: Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but in my opinion if you decide to try to be clever with a penalty - whether it’s trying to tip-toe up and outwit the keeper or going for the Panenka - then you HAVE to score. I think it’s an arrogant tactic, and if you miss then you have to take responsibility for it. Don’t get me wrong, I respect any player for going up to take a penalty, but if you want to be absolved of blame then you have to take it without trying to be clever. Just my opinion. Got to agree here if you miss you need to miss trying to take a normal pen but he scores pens all the time ffs but he also plays…. I think rashford should have come on at 85 or 90 or maybe 105 mins… probably would have been enough to buy a sure pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, punkskaphil said: Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but in my opinion if you decide to try to be clever with a penalty - whether it’s trying to tip-toe up and outwit the keeper or going for the Panenka - then you HAVE to score. I think it’s an arrogant tactic, and if you miss then you have to take responsibility for it. Don’t get me wrong, I respect any player for going up to take a penalty, but if you want to be absolved of blame then you have to take it without trying to be clever. Just my opinion. Rashford is not a robot - he’s human. The Italian keeper is massive and mobile and apparently good in penalty situations. It’s unfair to blame a player that has been brought on in the last two minutes of extra time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF TAZ Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Sterling’s bottled taking a pen thats what confuses me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Credit Southgate for getting us to a final. BUT He got that very wrong tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Taz said: Sterling’s bottled taking a pen thats what confuses me Subbed off weren’t he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Kanye West said: Saka’s first ever penalty in professional football? Disgraceful really he’s been given that one. Awful awful decision. How a 19 year old lad who’s never taken a pen before fifth choice taker in the biggest game in the country’s recent history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said: Awful awful decision. How a 19 year old lad who’s never taken a pen before fifth choice taker in the biggest game in the country’s recent history. Given he shouldn't have been on the pitch either. I'd have preferred Henderson left on to take one, or James even with the way he takes a free kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 But that been said the fact we were kind of glad to get to pens was the main issue. Such a poor negative performance when they'd reeled the country in. So English. ********. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, shandypants said: Rashford is not a robot - he’s human. The Italian keeper is massive and mobile and apparently good in penalty situations. It’s unfair to blame a player that has been brought on in the last two minutes of extra time. I don’t blame Rashford for England losing. I don’t blame him for only being on the pitch a couple of minutes (I already mentioned that in an earlier post), but if you’re going to do a clever penalty and get it wrong then you have to be responsible for it, regardless of who you are, and regardless of how many minutes you’ve been on the pitch. Saka’s penalty was poor, but I don’t think he should shoulder any responsibility because he didn’t try to be clever. Take an honest penalty and miss and it’s bad luck. Take a clever penalty and miss and you take responsibility for it. That’s how I feel about it, and I like Marcus Rashford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, punkskaphil said: I don’t blame Rashford for England losing. I don’t blame him for only being on the pitch a couple of minutes (I already mentioned that in an earlier post), but if you’re going to do a clever penalty and get it wrong then you have to be responsible for it, regardless of who you are, and regardless of how many minutes you’ve been on the pitch. Saka’s penalty was poor, but I don’t think he should shoulder any responsibility because he didn’t try to be clever. Take an honest penalty and miss and it’s bad luck. Take a clever penalty and miss and you take responsibility for it. That’s how I feel about it, and I like Marcus Rashford. Sorry, I don’t agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, shandypants said: Sorry, I don’t agree. I won’t lose any sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Taz said: Sterling’s bottled taking a pen thats what confuses me Southgate stated that he chose tonight’s penalty takers based upon their performance in penalty practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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