Reachy and bazza..how will they be looked backed on??

[Fibonacci91]

1 hour ago, thesouthowl said:

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, I think he is one of our best players of recent times by a long way, but I feel that sometimes he plays unnecessarily deeper than he should be. There should be players behind him that should be doing that work and feeding him slightly higher up the pitch. 

He is clearly less comfortable playing at number 10 than number 8. He likes to play with the game infront of him. His game is getting us playing and establishing our rhythm in the game, not playing splitting through balls.

 

I'm not saying ones more effective than the other, I'm just saying what he is good at.

[Ronnie Starling]

What are Bannan and Reach's most effective positions?

[Gob_Bluth]

1 hour ago, Weshallovercome said:

Reach, I was disappointed when we signed him, we needed someone with speed and strength, we got meh........for 5m we could have signed better, a lot better, not his fault, but I for one wont miss him.

 

Barry Bannan, the enigma......neither a defensive midfielder or an attacking one, has great skill on the ball and can pick a pass, but isn't offence enough for the role he plays, can't shoot, but decent at pens, again not really what we needed at the time, we should have signed Conor Hourihane.

BUT.....he's been a bit of a hero this season imho, running himself ragged giving it a go, can't fault him for that, so leaves with my blessing and hopes he finds a team that needs his skill set.

 

He's a deep playing playmaker, or as is known these days - a quarterback.

 

He'd work better in a midfield three, someone to do the defensive work and someone to do the running from midfield, unfortunately during his time here we've not been blessed with either

Edited February 8, 2021 by Gob_Bluth

[Emilianenko]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

No come on.. 

Surely if you're right you can simply answer this properly

Why do managers make him the set piece taker?

Maybe it goes higher up than the Manager?

[Bluewings]

3 hours ago, Emilianenko said:

Bannan was not in the top 5 for chances created.

 

Well if the articles wrong then fair play I was just going on the article.

I kinda agree with you, he's not the messiah alot of Wednesday fans make out he is but I can't think of many

technically better...or better players in general we have had for years.

 

[83owl]

28 minutes ago, Gob_Bluth said:

 

He's a deep playing playmaker, or as is known these days - a quarterback.

 

He'd work better in a midfield three, someone to do the defensive work and someone to do the running from midfield, unfortunately during his time here we've not been blessed with either

So he’d work better in a midfield three with two other midfielders to do the midfield work. I imagine most players would.

[parajack]

33 minutes ago, Gob_Bluth said:

 

He's a deep playing playmaker, or as is known these days - a quarterback.

 

He'd work better in a midfield three, someone to do the defensive work and someone to do the running from midfield, unfortunately during his time here we've not been blessed with either

No pace to beat defenders & run from midfield

[83owl]

3 hours ago, Gob_Bluth said:

Why didn't you use the stats from last season? 

 

Why are you using 3 yr old stats?

 

Last seasons key pass stats would have made your point better 

These stats show Izzy brown per minute is a far more effective player. Brown however is deemed not good enough.

[parajack]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

You seem to be really struggling with a really simple question?

If Bannan is that bad at corners why does every manager make him the corner taker?

? But he clearly is on current form,poor a corners? The why? is a seperate Q..Cant assume decisions these days are always taken allegedly for onlyfootballing reasons

[@owlstalk]

16 minutes ago, parajack said:

? But he clearly is on current form,poor a corners? The why? is a seperate Q..Cant assume decisions these days are always taken allegedly for onlyfootballing reasons

 

 

Then that must mean that it's in his contract that he's the chosen set piece / dead ball specialist

IF that's true then questions need asking of whomever gave him that contract

[should know better]

10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Then that must mean that it's in his contract that he's the chosen set piece / dead ball specialist

IF that's true then questions need asking of whomever gave him that contract

It is probably the safest place on the pitch for him taking the corner. He does not then need to defend a break.

His main ability is close control and confidence on the ball but he needs to get us further up the pitch.

Reach for me will be remembered as someone who has the tools but for whatever reason is not using them.

My personal view on Bannan would be one of the most overrated players of recent times, I would have said that Loovens, Westwood, Forestieri Lee, Hooper, and Fletcher were all better in their positions. Had Pudil and Wallace been around longer then they would be in front.

 

Bannan however still remains but I don't and never have noticed a desire for anyone to get him out of Hillsborough, I still think the Brentford so called interest was a smokescreen.

 

 

[Ante's Bubbly]

I think we will look back at players like, Bannan and Reach as being wasted by the club. I believe that along with Tom Lees and Westwood these four players could have formed the nucleus of a team that would easily be capable of fighting for promotion, if they were complemented throughout the team with players of a similar quality. All four players have provided the vast majority of highlights for the team and Bannan, as our play maker, no matter how many head coaches have chosen him to take free kicks and corners, is a great ball player in open play, but does not have the mental aptitude or the skill to consistently deliver good corners, or free kicks, especially direct free kicks. Unfortunately Neil that is not my opinion, that is a fact. 

 

As we have seen only too often in recent years a team is only as good as it's weakest player and year on year we seem to be accumulating more and more weaker players and less and less quality players. That is  a recipe for a club that is aiming to go down, not stay up and definitely not the recipe for a club aiming for the top six, never mind promotion.

 

In my opinion we got three of our best players on free contracts, two under Milan Manderic; Westwood and Lees (with a very small token payment to stop l**ds fans from crying, for Tom), and bannan under Chansiri/original buying committee.

 

Now unfortunately, other than Keiren Westwood (who has thankfully come back much stronger than he did under previous remissions), Tom Lees, Barry Bannan and Adam Reach, we are very thin on the ground in terms of talent and consistency. Again in my opinion the other players in our squad are below average in terms of what they produce, how often they play and what they can be expected to do due to their fitness levels and skill levels, or are too young to have proven themselves properly yet. We still need fitter, more talented players throughout the first 11 and up to now, Adam Reach is the only player that we have bought under Chansiri that has improved our squad consistently.

 

Westwood and Lees were already here and Bannan came on a free, other players have come and gone with different levels of success and inconsistency, but we desperately need to find another batch of players before the summer and get the contracts ready to sign before the players come back for training, or next season could make this one look like a walk in the park. The excuses made last season regarding what division we might have been playing in have been proved to be rubbish, because our signings were still focused on good league 1 players rather than good championship players, yet we stayed up. I wonder what next seasons excuses will be? Hopefully after next summer we will not be told that we were preparing for league 2!

 

Apart from a few other young lads who have featured in cup games and maybe the odd league match, our squad consists of the following, with the players out of contract this summer in bold:-

1 Keiren Westwood    Already here

2 Liam Palmer             Already here
4 Joost van Aken        £4m

5 Paterson                   Undisclosed - rumoured £500k

6 Hutchinson               Free - originally here then semi-retired in Cyprus, now back
7 Kadeem Harris         Free
8 Joey Pelupessy        £50k

9 Jack Marriott            On loan
10 Barry Bannan          Free
11 Adam Reach           £5m
13 Julian Börner          Free
14 Matt Penney           Already here
15 Tom Lees                Already here

16 Andre Green           Free
17 Fisayo-Bashiru       Undisclosed for academy
18 Josh Windass        Undisclosed - rumoured £450k to £1m
19 Osaze Urhoghide   Academy
20 Jordan Rhodes       Undisclosed - rumoured £8m
21 Massimo Luongo   Undisclosed - rumoured £1m
22 Moses Odubajo      Free
23 Chey Dunkley          Free
24 Izzy Brown               On loan
25 Cameron Dawson   Already here
26 Liam Shaw               Already here
27 Dominic Iorfa          Undisclosed - rumoured £150k
28 Joe Wildsmith         Already here
29 Alex Hunt                 Already here
45 Elias Kachunga       Free

 

So for our 29 man squad around £20m has been spent by DC on nine players (if undisclosed fees are anywhere near accurate), another eight players come to us on free contracts, there are nine players who were either already here, or came through the academy and two came in on loan (counted Bashiru as a signing and Hutch as a free). The rest of DC's money has been spent on players who have come and gone without bringing in any real quality, players who have been vastly overpaid, fees to the person who brought in these low quality older, expensive players and small stadium improvements like the new scoreboard, the pitch, which I do no not believe has been properly looked after, because it is awful, as commented on by several clubs. In other words the vast majority of the clubs income and the extra money put im by DC has been totally misspent.

 

In my opinion it is too early to say yet what the unproven players could do, but the the vast majority of the older squad are not good enough as they are now, with only Westwood, Lees, Bannan and Reach being above average for this division. 

This summer with Westwood reaching 37, Lees reaching 31, Bannan 32 and Reach 28, we really should be looking at bringing some younger talent in, particularly for Tom Lees and Barry Bannan, but with with the only playings definitely here next season (unless we are lucky enough to be able to sell any of them), we will only have the following 11 players here, and at least 5 of them having injury issues:-

 

2 Liam Palmer             Already here

5 Paterson                   Undisclosed - rumoured £500k
13 Julian Börner         Free

16 Andre Green           Free
17 Fisayo-Bashiru       Undisclosed for academy
18 Josh Windass        Undisclosed - rumoured £450k to £1m
21 Massimo Luongo   Undisclosed - rumoured £1m
23 Chey Dunkley          Free
25 Cameron Dawson   Already here
27 Dominic Iorfa          Undisclosed - rumoured £150k
28 Joe Wildsmith         Already here

 

Knowing how poor the club are at 1) signing players and 2) getting existing players to re-sign new contracts, then also knowing how poor we are at being proactive about anything to do with signing players I am extremely nervous about who may or may not be available to start our first game of the season next year, no matter what division we end up in! 

 

 

[Bluewings]

3 minutes ago, Ante's Bubbly said:

 

Knowing how poor the club are at 1) signing players and 2) getting existing players to re-sign new contracts, then also knowing how poor we are at being proactive about anything to do with signing players I am extremely nervous about who may or may not be available to start our first game of the season next year, no matter what division we end up in! 

 

 

Agree with this bit in particular.

 

Wait till when we are in league one playing Rochdale watching a Sedgewick type player 

pass it to a Wade Small type winger we are all gonna want Reach and Bannan back like

half of Owlstalk wanting Nuhiu back rn... going to be a car crash.

[@owlstalk]

15 minutes ago, Bluewings said:

Agree with this bit in particular.

 

Wait till when we are in league one playing Rochdale watching a Sedgewick type player 

pass it to a Wade Small type winger we are all gonna want Reach and Bannan back like

half of Owlstalk wanting Nuhiu back rn... going to be a car crash.

 

I'd say it's more than half of fans that want Nuhiu back and wished he'd never left 

I reckon it's more like 85%

[Ante's Bubbly]

37 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Then that must mean that it's in his contract that he's the chosen set piece / dead ball specialist

IF that's true then questions need asking of whomever gave him that contract

 

Bannan is poor at taking direct free kicks and that is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. The fact that he is still taking them says more about the low quality of our other players. I can only remember him scoring one against Stoke, I think (?). Now despite him being in a different class, I can remember McGugan in his short time here (and not playing very much under Carlos, despite still scoring goals), scoring at least three from direct free kicks, scoring with both feet (I think Bannan has only scored with his left peg) and scoring around half a dozen in open play? So Bannan has only just crept past him this season with his two penalties! Hardly an amazing return is it, but with a coach/manager that knows that and is allowed to have some say on who comes into the club, you would expect us to have signed somebody that has direct free kicks and corners, as one of his talents.

[@owlstalk]

Just now, Ante's Bubbly said:

 

Bannan is poor at taking direct free kicks and that is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. The fact that he is still taking them says more about the low quality of our other players. I can only remember him scoring one against Stoke, I think (?). Now despite him being in a different class, I can remember McGugan in his short time here (and not playing very much under Carlos, despite still scoring goals), scoring at least three from direct free kicks, scoring with both feet (I think Bannan has only scored with his left peg) and scoring around half a dozen in open play? So Bannan has only just crept past him this season with his two penalties! Hardly an amazing return is it, but with a coach/manager that knows that and is allowed to have some say on who comes into the club, you would expect us to have signed somebody that has direct free kicks and corners, as one of his talents.

 

Agreed

 

Still doesn't mean Bannan should be taking the flak for being told to take em though 

[parajack]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Then that must mean that it's in his contract that he's the chosen set piece / dead ball specialist

IF that's true then questions need asking of whomever gave him that contract

Totally agree....

 

[A E Neuman NYowl]

Can't understand why Bannan and Reach are being bundled together.

 

Bannan has been good value, small transfer fee and alsways puts a shift in. Has some very good games and it's not often you could give him less than a six out of 10.

 

Reach on the other hand has been poor value for the money we payed for him, very inconsistent occasional bit of magic but lots of very poor games. Nowhere near as bad value as Abdi, Rhodes and Van Aiken though.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2021 by A E Neuman NYowl
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[Ante's Bubbly]

11 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

I'd say it's more than half of fans that want Nuhiu back and wished he'd never left 

I reckon it's more like 85%

 

Under everybody's least favourite coach/manager Nuhiu managed to score around 13 goals in half a season didn't he? Compare that to what we have now! Too many people are getting excited about Paterson popping six in, which just shows how far standards have dropped. I don't know if you can tell, but I am pretty disgusted with what Chansiri has done to our club and if the EFL looks at the definition of a fit and proper owner, they should be pushing him to sell, with the value of the club independently assessed. Is that possible to do? Maybe that is what the trust should be pushing for. That, and a fair price for the renting the ground on a match by match basis! That would wake Chansiri up, because without promotion, the club is worth nothing to him and he has shown zero interest in improving our squad in the last three to three and a half years and even then, the spending on Rhodes and Joost Van Aken was ill advised!

[Ante's Bubbly]

7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Agreed

 

Still doesn't mean Bannan should be taking the flak for being told to take em though 

 

I wouldn't dream of giving him flack for it, but between you and me, my son at 13 years old is already better than Bannan at free kicks, shooting and corners and even though he is not a professional player he knows never to lean back like Bannan does, because that is the way he was taught how to shoot. You do not read loads of stories about how long Bannan practises them for, but I have read a quote from him saying that his shooting technique consists of closing his eyes and hitting the ball as hard as he can! I would personally rather see Penney, or Reach having a go every now and then. reach took a few in a cup game that were on target and difficult for the goalie to save. A bit more practice and he could be adding direct free kick goals to his list of screamers.