Tollertonowl Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The rules are completely out of line with the Premier League Gravy Train and combined with the Bosman Ruling/ Parachute Payments for demoted clubs negatively impacting teams from being promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollertonowl Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tollertonowl said: The rules are completely out of line with the Premier League Gravy Train and combined with the Bosman Ruling/ Parachute Payments for demoted clubs negatively impacting teams from being promoted. For Example selling players like Bannan, Reach etc... Hasn't been an option (and still isn't now) as previously we couldn't replace them (due to FFP embargo) and subsequently their values decreased (nearing contract ends/ free transfers) so now we need them to stay up and they will most likely leave for free in the summer - worsening our FFP position... Also our owner has spent circa £60MM buying the ground to limit the impact of the rules rather invest more into the the playing team to try avoid/ limit the impact of FFP... This is the same approach taken by Derby and also why Steve Gibson is p1ssed off at Middlesbrough who is happy to bank role, but can't due to turnover and rules. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted January 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2021 Give it a rest, Dejphon. 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manwë Posted January 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2021 £350m and we are second from bottom. Yes, it's the rules that are the problem. The £60m Hillsborough sale goes to the club to allow SWFC an additional £60m spend on the football (already spent in previous years), not the other way round. It hasn't meant Wednesday have spent £60m less, it's allowed us to spend £60m more than we would have. Blaming the rules on our failure to sell anyone is bizarre. It's our failure to sell anyone why we are falling foul of the rules. Our transfer balance sheet is severely in the red. Our income in no way is a match for the contracts we were dishing out. We've failed because we haven't invested in the club, we've gone for a get rich quick scheme and gone for broke, and unsurprisingly, we are now broke. What were the parachute payments of Leeds, Brighton, United, Huddersfield? All have gone up in recent years. The rules complained about were in place when Chansiri bought us, if he didn't like them or feel he could work within them then he could have said no and bought himself a cricket club or Polo club instead. 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Gutted we can't spend another 350 million 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Most clubs have a sensible approach to transfers and contracts They start negotiating with their best players the summer before the contract expires and if the players refuse new deals that's when they look to cash in and receive a fee We start negotiating at Christmas before the January transfer window, and the players then know they can sit out the rest of their contract and get a nice big signing on fee when they move out of contract Stop being an apologist for incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Grandad said: Most clubs have a sensible approach to transfers and contracts They start negotiating with their best players the summer before the contract expires and if the players refuse new deals that's when they look to cash in and receive a fee We start negotiating at Christmas before the January transfer window, and the players then know they can sit out the rest of their contract and get a nice big signing on fee when they move out of contract Stop being an apologist for incompetence Yep, didn’t L***s’ DoF sell £35m of players, and some of their best players, the summer before they went up because they knew they very close to P&S limits. He then tapped into the loan market and replaced them at a fraction of the cost. DC didn’t, he refuse to sell, bust the limits, get an embargo. Refuse to sell agin, risk of another embargo, shat himself, sell the stadium, put that in the wrong set of accounts, get a points deduction, drag our good name through the courts and be worse off than we were before he took over. He posts a lot of ill informed nonsense, regarding FFP, does this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 FFP ? The problem is he has surrounded himself with advisors who are SH>IT !!!! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Plenty of teams (that haven’t had parachute payments) are able to adapt to the rules and still be competitive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Don't blame the rules, when you break them through your own misadventures. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, El Toro said: Plenty of teams (that haven’t had parachute payments) are able to adapt to the rules and still be competitive. In DC’s time in charge, 16 clubs have gained promotion and, to my knowledge in that time, only Bournemouth have faced any penalties for breaching FFP, that was under the older more limited losses regulations. Only 5 of those 16 clubs were promoted back whilst receiving PP’s as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Tollertonowl said: The rules are completely out of line with the Premier League Gravy Train and combined with the Bosman Ruling/ Parachute Payments for demoted clubs negatively impacting teams from being promoted. Cool story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Don't hate the player; hate the game...or something or another. I think the rules are pretty daft given the financial disparity between the PL and EFL, but that in no way excuses the utter shambolic mismanagement at S6. For one, Chansiri was fully aware of FFP from the start, constantly making reference to it in fan forums and so on. Secondly, not paying your players wages has nothing to do with any constraints placed on the club because of FFP. That's entirely on the owner. When stuff like that happens, it makes you think they may have a point with the whole FFP thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I agree the FFP/P&S rules (whatever they are called nowadays) are not fit for purpose, but whatever the rules we'd just pisss away whatever we were allowed to spend anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 We would be in the same situation minus the points deduction even if there was no FFP regulations. The chairman put all his money on red and it came up black. Arrogance and incompetence is a very dangerous combination. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, SiJ said: not paying your players wages has nothing to do with any constraints placed on the club because of FFP No it's because there is no revenue coming into the clubs because of covid not allowing fans into the ground...the idea that DC is deliberately not paying the players because he can is stupid and disingenuous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, daveyboy66 said: No it's because there is no revenue coming into the clubs because of covid not allowing fans into the ground...the idea that DC is deliberately not paying the players because he can is stupid and disingenuous Do you honestly believe that people paying on the gate pays the wage bill? Crikey Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: No it's because there is no revenue coming into the clubs because of covid not allowing fans into the ground...the idea that DC is deliberately not paying the players because he can is stupid and disingenuous Cmon pal You're better than this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Do you honestly believe that people paying on the gate pays the wage bill? Crikey No but I don't think that DC is not playing the players at a whim because he can...everyone has cash flow problems atm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, daveyboy66 said: No but I don't think that DC is not playing the players at a whim because he can...everyone has cash flow problems atm Ah right I got confused at the bit where you said he couldn't pay the players because fans weren't allowed in the ground It's confusing innit Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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