Replacements in summer - who was better than those who left?

[Marro]

1 hour ago, Grandad said:

OK - heres who left us this summer. Take the list and fill in the names of those who signed who improved our squad.

 

Morgan Fox - 

Kieran Lee -  

Sam Hutchinson -  

Sam Winnall - 

Atdhe Nuhiu - 

Fernando Forestieri -  

Steven Fletcher - 

Other than Windass for Winnall, no one is better.  But it’s a bit of an unfair question given the injuries many of the players on your list have had.  You wouldn’t get a full season out of Lee, Fletcher or Hutchinson etc

[GLOwl]

47 minutes ago, BIG D said:

I’m not even sure about Windass to be honest.

Good player for me, excluding yesterday. Lots of energy, gets stuck in and rarely gives the ball away. Is also decent in front of goal.

[Animis]

I think the Fletcher decision was damned if you do damned if you don't. £20k/week for a 33yr old in our financial position was a risk, but we ended up with Pateson as the big target man who's not that good at it.

 

Nuhiu could, and perhaps with hindsight should have offered a 1yr deal.

 

KL is essentially finished/retired.

 

Hutch and FF have drifted off to the warm-weather in the med play in the 2nd tier with no pressures. This to me highlights that they don't have the hunger and are freewheeling the rest of their career - in FF's case literally.

 

Not sure if Morgan Fox is better than what we've got now - if he is it's marginal.

[S72 Owl]

1 hour ago, Grandad said:

OK - heres who left us this summer. Take the list and fill in the names of those who signed who improved our squad.

 

Morgan Fox - 

Kieran Lee -  

Sam Hutchinson -  

Sam Winnall - 

Atdhe Nuhiu - 

Fernando Forestieri -  

Steven Fletcher - 

 

Fox, Hutch, Nuhui, and Fletcher would have been perfect in a Pulis team.

[Guest wilyfox]

52 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Must admit the reaction on here is way over the top. The game plan went out the window 15 minutes in.

we’ve scored 1 goal in our last 6 games - and that was a penalty. Results won’t turn if we can’t score. Any criticism is fair. 6 in 12 is pathetic. 

[SallyCinnamon]

30 minutes ago, hugeowl said:

Well signing player’s without broken legs would be a start 

No issues with Dunkley signing really. Low risk free transfer won’t be on a lot due to his injury. Will prove a good player when back fit. Well covered in the centre back area so we aren’t desperate for him to come back. 
 

The issue with recruitment is signing 4 strikers but not one of them being a target man who can hold the ball up and link the midfield and attack. We let go of Fletcher and Nuhiu but didn’t replace them. 

[SallyCinnamon]

6 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

we’ve scored 1 goal in our last 6 games - and that was a penalty. Results won’t turn if we can’t score. Any criticism is fair. 6 in 12 is pathetic. 

Why not give Pulis a chance to sort that out before moaning and thinking the worlds ending because we lost yesterday?

 

Goalscoring is an issue but the reaction comes from the defeat yesterday where we were playing with 10 men for 75 minutes plus stoppages. 
 

Lets see where was are in a few games time and if we still can’t score goals then we can panic. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

29 minutes ago, FreshOwl said:

It’s been evident so far this season we signed a bunch of league 1 players 

 

What on earth was the remit with recruitment? As long as they’re passionate bring them in, regardless of ability?

 

First and foremost, they had to be cheap and willing to join a team starting the season on minus 12.

 

Once you're working within those parameters, you're always going to struggle to add genuine, proven quality.

[Guest wilyfox]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

Why not give Pulis a chance to sort that out before moaning and thinking the worlds ending because we lost yesterday?

 

Goalscoring is an issue but the reaction comes from the defeat yesterday where we were playing with 10 men for 75 minutes plus stoppages. 
 

Lets see where was are in a few games time and if we still can’t score goals then we can panic. 

I don’t think it is a reaction to one game. It’s the realisation we don’t have the quality to get out of the position we’re in. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

14 minutes ago, Animis said:

Not sure if Morgan Fox is better than what we've got now - if he is it's marginal.

 

We don't have a recognised left-back.

 

I reckon Fox is better than that.

 

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

First and foremost, they had to be cheap and willing to join a team starting the season on minus 12.

 

Once you're working within those parameters, you're always going to struggle to add genuine, proven quality.

No mate. We should have spent millions and got back into the situation which led us to the points deduction in the first place. 

[SallyCinnamon]

2 minutes ago, wilyfox said:

I don’t think it is a reaction to one game. It’s the realisation we don’t have the quality to get out of the position we’re in. 

We have enough to stay up this season.

 

Pulis will sort it.

 

You can quote this at the end of the season.

 

Let’s not all lose our rag. 

[FreshOwl]

6 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

First and foremost, they had to be cheap and willing to join a team starting the season on minus 12.

 

Once you're working within those parameters, you're always going to struggle to add genuine, proven quality.

I get all that, but even with -12 it still feels like we’ve sold ourselves short. Probably wrong but just can’t shake that feeling 

We’ve signed some real cack 

Edited November 22, 2020 by FreshOwl

[Guest wilyfox]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

We have enough to stay up this season.

 

Pulis will sort it.

 

You can quote this at the end of the season.

 

Let’s not all lose our rag. 

depends how far adrift we are come January, and whether we can attract/afford some firepower.

[malek]

We missed an opportunity to rebuild, or at least set foundations for future rebuild last summer. Instead we replaced set of players that were on big money and not good enough with another set that is probably on slightly lower wages, but just as poor.

[Animis]

5 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

We don't have a recognised left-back.

 

I reckon Fox is better than that.

 

 

It's marginal 

[Swiss Toni]

Unfortunately it was clear we offered those players reduced terms (the ones we wanted to keep anyway in Fletcher and Fox) and they were entitled to shop around. The players we’ve brought in aren’t on wages anywhere near those on the OP list and here lies the problem if you’re comparing players like for like.

 

We’re starting to cut our cloth accordingly and it clearly has had an Impact on quality. 
 

Of the players listed by the OP there’s probably only Fletcher and Fox who were of a level acceptable in terms of quality and fitness when they were let go. The rest you’re comparing qualities not seen in a year or so therefore comparisons are tough.
 

 

[Inspector Lestrade]

What did people think would happen if you sell your best players and you get lower standard players?.  

 

You add quality not take it away.

[blueandwhitematt]

The problem was not so much we didn't replace the quality, as others have said realistically that was never going to happen, but there appears no coherent strategy to what we were trying to do.  Monk put all his eggs in the 532/352 basket, yet we didn't sign any wing backs.  We lost our attacking focal point (Fletcher) and our next best thing (Nuhiu), then proceeded to sign 4 of the same player - Windass, Kachunga, Paterson, Brown - who all seem to be behind the striker type players.  Then sprinkle in the Marriott panic buy,  and our constant ability to get almost any player long-term injured as soon as they come through the door, and here we are.

 

One thing is for sure though, when January comes we need to do business early, even if it costs more money.  We can't afford to whimper on til deadline day in the hope of a bargain.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Grandad said:

OK - heres who left us this summer. Take the list and fill in the names of those who signed who improved our squad.

 

Morgan Fox - 

Kieran Lee -  

Sam Hutchinson -  

Sam Winnall - 

Atdhe Nuhiu - 

Fernando Forestieri -  

Steven Fletcher - 

 

Izzy Brown got more assists and created more chances for one of the few teams team that finished below us last season so potentially he should be an improvement on what we had if used correctly.

 

I suppose you have to add some context too, Flecther was by far our best player last season but he was never going to stay on vastly reduced wages and the prospect of starting 12 points behind the rest - he had better offers.

 

Forestieri and Winnall had done nothing for 2 or 3 years and little suggested they would do anything in years to come, they are hardly setting the football world alight elsewhere at the moment. Paterson could be a better player technically than Winnall but who knows where he would be most effective.

 

Nuhiu would have been a good option to keep, likely to score at least at the rate of the current options we have (not difficult) and would also hold the ball up & occupy defenders more in a way which would allow us to play further up the field as a team.

 

Kieran Lee was all down to injuries but he looked decent towards the back end of last season and having took a reduced wage last time due to his injuries you would have thought that it would not have been a bank breaker to keep him. Same Hutchinson divides opinion but I would have thought he would be a player Pulis would consider using in terms of the current options we have, can't imagine he is on a huge wage in Cyprus. 

 

You have to consider it would have been difficult to attract many top quality players to sign up for permanent deals for a club that were starting the season 12 points behind the rest. However, the club knew something like that was on the cards and should have moved earlier to try and keep the likes of Nuhiu and one or two others with this in mind. Saying that, if Monk didn't want them then we were going down another road, we seemingly backed Monk for the long term as he got his backroom staff this summer.........bit of a shambles really.