Replacements in summer - who was better than those who left?

[Guest LondonOwl313]

2 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

It was often 10v11 under Monk as well Same old same old, and no doubt the excuses will be as well

It needs addressing, cut out the silly red cards would be a start. That cost us the game yesterday, meant we can’t get much of a feel on whether there’s improvement yet or not

[Guest Grandad]

1 hour ago, Hirstys Salopettes said:

Obedient dressing room 

Obedient manager  more like

[Guest]

1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said:

It needs addressing, cut out the silly red cards would be a start. That cost us the game yesterday, meant we can’t get much of a feel on whether there’s improvement yet or not

Windass cost us chance of 3pts ,  but Westwood cost us the game 

[CrosbyKitchens]

Some outrageous comments on here.

 

Forget about the past.

 

Looking at our recruitment, its been mixed, but we've also had terrible luck with injuries.

 

Flint - excellent - then injured.

Brown - excellent - then injured.

Paterson - not sure where he's best.

Windass - done ok, until yesterday.

Dunkley - very odd one.

Marriott - struggled - now injured - doubt we'll see again.

 

[Guest LondonOwl313]

1 minute ago, Royal_D said:

Windass cost us chance of 3pts ,  but Westwood cost us the game 

He cost us a point.. would have been a different game with 11 vs 11, who knows how it would have played out. We might have even scored

[davetherivelinowl]

In recent seasons Norwich and Huddersfield have 'come from nowhere' to get promoted out of this league. In both cases they found a bunch of gems from the continent. 

The same could be said of our friends down the Lane. They found a bunch of gems from cast-offs and lower league players.

Yesterday it looked like that kid from Ajax was doing really well for Huddersfield. Matt Smith wouldn't have cost us a fortune.

It can be done. Just not by us.

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, davetherivelinowl said:

In recent seasons Norwich and Huddersfield have 'come from nowhere' to get promoted out of this league. In both cases they found a bunch of gems from the continent. 

The same could be said of our friends down the Lane. They found a bunch of gems from cast-offs and lower league players.

Yesterday it looked like that kid from Ajax was doing really well for Huddersfield. Matt Smith wouldn't have cost us a fortune.

It can be done. Just not by us.

With our recruitment team, we are always 5 years behind what’s happening now

[Guest LondonOwl313]

Just now, CrosbyKitchens said:

Some outrageous comments on here.

 

Forget about the past.

 

Looking at our recruitment, its been mixed, but we've also had terrible luck with injuries.

 

Flint - excellent - then injured.

Brown - excellent - then injured.

Paterson - not sure where he's best.

Windass - done ok, until yesterday.

Dunkley - very odd one.

Marriott - struggled - now injured - doubt we'll see again.

 

It’s still been rubbish recruitment.. I mean Dunkley and Flint come in and we already have Lees, Iorfa, Borner and Van Aken on the books, the first three of which you’d say were adequate at this level. Ok you can argue we needed a fifth centre half as Monk was insisting on playing 3-5-2 despite us being poor doing so, but we sign a player who’s crippled and then a sixth centre half when we’re lacking elsewhere. No left back signed is a joke.

 

Brown is a good player but a crock, he’s a 20 games a season player. This was known beforehand. Windass and Paterson are squad filler type players, which is fine.. Marriott is a cast off from a relegation rival.

 

We needed to spend much more on attacking players than we have.. brought in too many centre backs. Got 3 for every position and only one striker now. This is Monk’s fault

[Guest Bulgaria]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

There have been a couple of folk on here who had the same injury as Dunkley hhad and said even after 18 months/2 years they still weren't right

They should be expecting a call from our recruitment team then.

[Guest]

Dunkley will be a great signing when he’s back,  we took a chance of the bloke , no qualms from me 

[davetherivelinowl]

32 minutes ago, Royal_D said:

Dunkley will be a great signing when he’s back,  we took a chance of the bloke , no qualms from me 

I'm also expecting good things from Dunkley (eventually). But when we already have Lees, Iorfa, Borner, Van Aken and now Flint, how does he even get in the team if fit?

[Jim]

It’s looking increasingly clear that our recent transfer window wasn’t as good as a lot us thought it was.

 

No player has come in and hit the ground running. Several have had injury and fitness issues and the ones who have been fit to play have struggled. The forward replacements in particular haven’t cut the mustard to such an extent you have the new manager questioning whether some are actual forwards?

 

It’s an absolute mess. We needed an experienced manager to come in and sort it out. We have one. Get behind him and let him do what’s necessary.

 

And before some turn round and say that’s rich coming from me. It was pretty obvious a long time ago that Monk was never the right manager for the job that needs doing here. Pulis has a track record, Monk hasn’t.

[gurujuan]

3 minutes ago, Jim said:

It’s looking increasingly clear that our recent transfer window wasn’t as good as a lot us thought it was.

 

No player has come in and hit the ground running. Several have had injury and fitness issues and the ones who have been fit to play have struggled. The forward replacements in particular haven’t cut the mustard to such an extent you have the new manager questioning whether some are actual forwards?

 

It’s an absolute mess. We needed an experienced manager to come in and sort it out. We have one. Get behind him and let him do what’s necessary.

 

And before some turn round and say that’s rich coming from me. It was pretty obvious a long time ago that Monk was never the right manager for the job that needs doing here. Pulis has a track record, Monk hasn’t.

The annoying thing is, it was abundantly clear that most weren’t what was needed, despite what some on here said. Why those charged with that recruitment, supposedly better equipped to make that judgment than us, got it so wrong is inexcusable 

[SallyCinnamon]

1 hour ago, LondonOwl313 said:

Marriott fitted in to the category he’s describing two years ago.. lower league, doing well, young etc. He cost a fee which would be beyond us. And he struggled at Derby which was why he was allowed to come here. There’s no free wins to be had picking up lower league players.. some work and some don’t 

Exactly. Marriott did well under Lampard, struggled under Cocu. He has scored goals in the league below and at this level. If we could get him back in form then people would be saying what a great loan signing he is.

 

He plays off the shoulder of the defender but our tactic when he played was hoof it up, hope for the best. And people expect him to get on the ball, dribble round 10 players and back heel it past the keeper. Give the lad chance ffs.

[GLOwl]

4 hours ago, Animis said:

I think the Fletcher decision was damned if you do damned if you don't. £20k/week for a 33yr old in our financial position was a risk, but we ended up with Pateson as the big target man who's not that good at it.

 

Nuhiu could, and perhaps with hindsight should have offered a 1yr deal.

 

KL is essentially finished/retired.

 

Hutch and FF have drifted off to the warm-weather in the med play in the 2nd tier with no pressures. This to me highlights that they don't have the hunger and are freewheeling the rest of their career - in FF's case literally.

 

Not sure if Morgan Fox is better than what we've got now - if he is it's marginal.

Can’t argue with any of that summary, pretty spot on for me.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Again, with -12 points who did you think we could have recruited? 

 

We managed to recruit a few others players who weren't injured and having signed an injured centre-back we then managed to recruit another centre-back to cover for the injured cnetre-back who is yet to play a game for us! 

[SallyCinnamon]

2 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

We managed to recruit a few others players who weren't injured and having signed an injured centre-back we then managed to recruit another centre-back to cover for the injured cnetre-back who is yet to play a game for us! 

We recruited to fit the formation. 6 defenders for 3 at the back. Cover for each position!

[Guest]

1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said:

We recruited to fit the formation. 6 defenders for 3 at the back. Cover for each position!

 

No way would we have gone for Flint if Dunkley was fit at the time. Yet again we have wasted money, signed players we don't need, signed  players who can't play and have failed to sign a focal point centre-forward at all! 

 

We didn't recruit to fit any formation! 

[Swiss Toni]

1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said:

Point me to a player a Championship club has signed this year from League 1 or 2 who has proven to be a gem and didn’t cost a lot of money.

 

And point me to the players from League 1 or 2 you’d have liked us to realistically bring to the football club. 
 

It’s alright saying this but who was available and who would have improved us. 

Not my job to do that. When Ollie Watkins signed for Brentford for £1.8 million from League Two we were signing players like Abdi for nearly 4 times as much. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I’m just saying 3 years down the line Watkins has made Brentford over £30 profit whereas the players we signed at the same time drained the club of cash. 
 

Ben Godfrey is another simple example of a player signed from York City and then sold on for a £22 profit 3 years later.

 

Id rather be in the shoes of a Brentford or Norwich fan right now than ours. I know Norwich got relegated and Brentford didn’t get promoted but you remember the buzz around our place when we nearly reached the ‘supposed’ promised land?

 

[gurujuan]

11 minutes ago, Swiss Toni said:

Not my job to do that. When Ollie Watkins signed for Brentford for £1.8 million from League Two we were signing players like Abdi for nearly 4 times as much. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I’m just saying 3 years down the line Watkins has made Brentford over £30 profit whereas the players we signed at the same time drained the club of cash. 
 

Ben Godfrey is another simple example of a player signed from York City and then sold on for a £22 profit 3 years later.

 

Id rather be in the shoes of a Brentford or Norwich fan right now than ours. I know Norwich got relegated and Brentford didn’t get promoted but you remember the buzz around our place when we nearly reached the ‘supposed’ promised land?

 

Interesting that you mention Godfrey, didn’t we have him on trial but turned him down?