Sam Hutchinson saying his face didn't fit (twice) and not being fully paid on time

[Ian]

6 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

1.56 points per match in over 100 games

Wow

 

he was better than I thought

 

 

 

Monk has 1.29

Good job, to quote you "he had his players chose for him"

[0wl18]

6 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

1.56 points per match in over 100 games

Wow

 

he was better than I thought

 

 

 

Monk has 1.29

Inches?

 

is ******** envy the real reason Hutchinson and Westwood were dropped??

[SallyCinnamon]

12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Beskitas and Sporting Lisbon are huge huge clubs in their respective countries with massive support. 

[SallyCinnamon]

3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Would absolutely LOVE to know where this little nugget came from

 

 

How many clubs has he left after reported falling outs with the chairman?

 

You speculate all day on Hutch’s personality and Carlos and his style of management, so why can’t we Monk? 

[SallyCinnamon]

6 minutes ago, Ian said:

i love it when people bring up Di Canio as an example of how if you cant handle him then it shows you are a bad manager.

 

Capello and Trapattoni werent too shabby at management......both showed him the door at their respective clubs at the time.

 

Some managers tolerate these type of players....some get rid......neither is the right or wrong way and neither proves a good or bad manager

Both showed them the door but both had the resources and ability to go out and sign somebody better. 

[0wl18]

3 minutes ago, Ian said:

i love it when people bring up Di Canio as an example of how if you cant handle him then it shows you are a bad manager.

 

Capello and Trapattoni werent too shabby at management......both showed him the door at their respective clubs at the time.

 

Some managers tolerate these type of players....some get rid......neither is the right or wrong way and neither proves a good or bad manager

As you say, Capello et al weren’t bad managers, you’re right, they were successful post Di-Canio. Monk on the other hand, dropped 2 key players and our form tanked?

 

 

[Guest Grandad]

9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

And improving every month

 

Really? 

 

Monks stats are saved by the 3 games he played when he arrived

 

Month......PPG

Sept.........2.33

Oct...........1.60

Nov...........1.0

Dec...........1.66

Jan............0.75

Feb............0.85

Mar............0.00

Jun............1.33

 

if you take out the September figures - his average PPG is just 1.16

 

Which makes him significantly less than Jos. 

[Ian]

13 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

Really? 

 

Monks stats are saved by the 3 games he played when he arrived

 

Month......PPG

Sept.........2.33

Oct...........1.60

Nov...........1.0

Dec...........1.66

Jan............0.75

Feb............0.85

Mar............0.00

Jun............1.33

 

if you take out the September figures - his average PPG is just 1.16

 

Which makes him significantly less than Jos. 

June wasnt 1.33, it was 2.0.......thats automatic promotion form......you cant make figures up to suit your point

 

[Ian]

17 minutes ago, 0wl18 said:

As you say, Capello et al weren’t bad managers, you’re right, they were successful post Di-Canio. Monk on the other hand, dropped 2 key players and our form tanked?

 

 

I think the measurement of whether it was the right decision needs to be taken over more than a few months!

[RichSheffWeds]

12 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

Really? 

 

Monks stats are saved by the 3 games he played when he arrived

 

Month......PPG

Sept.........2.33

Oct...........1.60

Nov...........1.0

Dec...........1.66

Jan............0.75

Feb............0.85

Mar............0.00

Jun............1.33

 

if you take out the September figures - his average PPG is just 1.16

 

Which makes him significantly less than Jos. 

That’s a really balanced and logical way of looking at things. 
 

If someone likes him, should they take out his worst month and make the opposite argument ? 
 

Difficult to take your logic seriously.

[Dick_Turpin]

37 minutes ago, Bannofan said:

 

Oh yes, that's a great description of the kind of character that easily wins fans over..definitely our fans. We so easily have the wool pulled over our eyes by a 'badge kisser' ( Megson, Hutchinson ) or a character that isn't actually that good in his position ( Reda Johnson,  Majid Bougherra) . 

 

Not sure what the reason behind defending Jordan Rhodes to the hilt is though,  despite him being shocking for three seasons....he's a nice bloke and fans don't like to be wrong about signings they've clamoured for? 

 

Now it's the fans' turn to get it in the neck.

 

Who's next? Ron Springett? Chris Waddle? Roy Hattersley? 

 

 

[0wl18]

7 minutes ago, Ian said:

I think the measurement of whether it was the right decision needs to be taken over more than a few months!

Ah right, so we’ll throw away a run at the play offs cause old Gary can’t manage 2 players who have helped contribute to the team being in such a position??

[soldierboyblue]

17 hours ago, TaxiMark said:

Suprised he is already down South but there you go

He got told months ago he was not getting renewed he's a London lad so why wouldn't he move back to where he wants to live?

[room0035]

Westwood, Pudil, Lees, Loovens, Hunt, Bannan, Hutchinson, Lee, Reach, Forestieri, Hooper

 

 

Dawson, Fox, Lees, Iorfa, Palmer, Harris, Bannan, Pelupessy, Murphy, Nuihu, Fletcher.

 

 

The first team the best of the play off seasons, the second team the current team pre Co-Vid that Monk played. Can anyone honestly say they would prefer the second team to the first. We as a club are on the slide the team of next season that is a frightening thought.

[Ian]

4 minutes ago, 0wl18 said:

Ah right, so we’ll throw away a run at the play offs cause old Gary can’t manage 2 players who have helped contribute to the team being in such a position??

And yet many think we shouldnbt have spent so much getting to the play off under carlos because that's whats led to us being where we are now

 

Look at it this way.......Lets say there are 3 or 4 young players that we have that the club has high hopes for......either as very good first team players in the next 3 years that could serve us for years or bring in a good transfer fee.

 

But each of these, for whatever reasons, dont want to be at a club with certain other players who have less of a long term future / sell on value.....so they leave...for nothing. We get in to the play offs, fail again and the older players leave for free for a last pay day somewhere.

 

Is that a better outcome than releasing the older players and putting your medium term faith in the younger ones?

[SiJ]

1 hour ago, Lord Snooty said:

 

 

No bigger fan of Hutchinson myself. A throwback player who got stuck in. On a cold evening during a dull game a thunderous tackle can get the crowd going. A never say die attitude on the pitch is something that all supporters love to see. He gave his all and I thank him for that. One of my favourite players in recent history. 

 

However. Players have to tow the line. When a glowering presence around the place starts to affect other players decisions are made.

As the fantastic Roy Keane found out when he was shown the door at Old Trafford. A players attitude around the club is as important as it is on the pitch. 

 

Quite.

 

There comes a point where enough is enough. 

 

By Hutchs own admission: it was time to move on.

 

It's just a shame that for whatever the reason, he was pretty much ostracized from the first team for the remaining six months of his time here. Only him and his mate were, so make of that what you will.

 

I just dont believe for one minute that any manager, whether good, bad or indifferent, would sit there and bin off a Hutchinson in favour of the hapless Pelepessy. Yet it happened on two separate occasions. 

[Guest Grandad]

1 minute ago, Ian said:

And yet many think we shouldnbt have spent so much getting to the play off under carlos because that's whats led to us being where we are now

 

Look at it this way.......Lets say there are 3 or 4 young players that we have that the club has high hopes for......either as very good first team players in the next 3 years that could serve us for years or bring in a good transfer fee.

 

But each of these, for whatever reasons, dont want to be at a club with certain other players who have less of a long term future / sell on value.....so they leave...for nothing. We get in to the play offs, fail again and the older players leave for free for a last pay day somewhere.

 

Is that a better outcome than releasing the older players and putting your medium term faith in the younger ones?

 

Blimey

 

theres conjecture - and then theres this 

 

[SiJ]

Who is this Conjecture fella and when can we expect him to sign?

[Dick_Turpin]

4 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Quite.

 

There comes a point where enough is enough. 

 

By Hutchs own admission: it was time to move on.

 

It's just a shame that for whatever the reason, he was pretty much ostracized from the first team for the remaining six months of his time here. Only him and his mate were, so make of that what you will.

 

I just dont believe for one minute that any manager, whether good, bad or indifferent, would sit there and bin off a Hutchinson in favour of the hapless Pelepessy. Yet it happened on two separate occasions. 

 

Depends how poo those managers were of course but regardless of that fact can we not just say well done Sam, thanks for the memories and good luck with your next club instead of all the snidey comments. What happened to being nice?

[NorthernOwl]

Hutch was clearly an influential character in the dressing room. He also obviously didn't think much of Monk or Jos as managers.

 

Other players will have picked up on that and that's probably why Jos and monk wanted to distance him from the team. Same deal with Westwood 

 

It doesn't necessarily mean either of them were bad apples or purposely sowing discontent. But if influential players are not buying into your vision you probably want to distance them from the team. Neither party is necessarily at fault.