Stoop Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Blue and white said: 200 defenders scouted and he was the best one, I'd hate to see the standard of the other 199. Weirdly Carlos brought in Venancio at the same time as Van Aken, but refused to play him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 16 hours ago, Grandad said: This is 90% of the problem at Wednesday, Clueless and Stuffing boy will run this club into the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 14 hours ago, vulva said: Despite the noise, football fans are rarely wrong. I remember when we signed him, someone put a link on here from a forum, from his previous club. The general consensus was that he was no where near strong enough for this league. He wasn’t, and isn’t. There is a footballer in him, and I reckon Wednesday scouted him and thought he would develop. He hasn’t. Could he have been the first player we signed with a view to develop and sell on, after all he was apparently young, talented and cheapish if we paid £2m for him? Maybe the failure with him impacted on our recruitment strategy? Alternatively....he was another terrible signing due to the structure of the recruitment team at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, nbupperthongowl said: Could he have been the first player we signed with a view to develop and sell on, after all he was apparently young, talented and cheapish if we paid £2m for him? Maybe the failure with him impacted on our recruitment strategy? Alternatively....he was another terrible signing due to the structure of the recruitment team at that time I can see why we signed him. I do think he could be a player. Would be better in a 3. Not good enough or strong enough at present to play in a 2. Not sure Tom Lees helped him. 12 months playing alongside Loovens and you might have seen a different player. Lees very much plays in bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbupperthongowl Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, vulva said: I can see why we signed him. I do think he could be a player. Would be better in a 3. Not good enough or strong enough at present to play in a 2. Not sure Tom Lees helped him. 12 months playing alongside Loovens and you might have seen a different player. Lees very much plays in bubble. Got to agree about playing in a 3, that would suit him, only question is does he have the footballing intelligence to sweep behind the defence (assume he was the centre of the three with a free role) when defending, especially counter attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: Is he any worse than Lees has been over the past 18 months ? Actually yes. And at least Lees turned in a few seasons of stellar performances prior to turning poo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Doesn’t matter if you play him in a 3 or whether he is 4th choice if he is playing in a championship game teams will expose him. He is miles away physically and very cumbersome. Thornily was a much better defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Actually yes. And at least Lees turned in a few seasons of stellar performances prior to turning poo. So, neither of them are good enough then (unless our ambition is to avid relegation as opposed to competing at the right end of the table). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Sergeant Tibbs said: So, neither of them are good enough then (unless our ambition is to avid relegation as opposed to competing at the right end of the table). I think Lees is good enough at this level but needs a change of scenery. Van Aken is way off ever being competent at this level. Pelupessy and a few others the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 22 hours ago, scram said: I utterly dispute that Some people were seduced by the fact he can ping the ball decently But for the specifics of defending he looked hopeless Positioning poor, no awareness, turning circle of an oil tanker, couldn't sort his feet out so easy to get past Not even good in the air for a tall guy But because he can hit pinpoint 60 yarders some thought we had a good player on our hands I know you can never fully judge a player over a few games but the early signs were that there was an awful long way to go for him to iron out those flaws in his game to become anything like the required level This This This THIS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Anyone said "Theres a player in there" yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, the monk said: Anyone said "Theres a player in there" yet? Several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, Sergeant Tibbs said: Several. Can you let them know that there isn't! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 22 hours ago, prowl said: His first couple of games he looked a decent player, after that he looked like he was a car crash. If he's got his confidence back and built up a certain amount of mental strength he could do ok. There must have been something about him if we thought it worth while paying money for him, then again we did sign some dross. I'd sell if we got a half decent offer. He'd have a lot to do to win over our fans. Others have done it, who knows, he might. Yep I though he looked like he had real potential when he first played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, the monk said: Can you let them know that there isn't! I wouldn’t worry about it, I think they are in the minority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Doesn’t sound like he has done much during his loan spell. What a shocking waste of money, and some people wonder why this club is in such a mess! Clueless people advising clueless people for their own gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Monk was a decent centre back in his time. As soon as he sees Van aken training when he gets back he will know he can’t play him. He will be out on loan again somewhere at whatever fee we can get. one day the story about this transfer will surely come out. I have no idea what that story is but it is amazing that we signed a player of that quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Well I’m in the ‘there is a player’ camp. Played a decent standard in Holland and now Germany and capped at Under 21 level. Seems quite a few on here have changed their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Tibbs Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, mcmigo said: Monk was a decent centre back in his time. As soon as he sees Van aken training when he gets back he will know he can’t play him. He will be out on loan again somewhere at whatever fee we can get. one day the story about this transfer will surely come out. I have no idea what that story is but it is amazing that we signed a player of that quality. No more amazing than the signatures of Abdi, Emanuelson and Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I agree that some of our signings have been very dubious, but at what point do we question what happens when they get here. We seem to be very good at ending careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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