Guest Maxine Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Carlos was better than Monk imo. plus he still follows me on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 Just now, Maxine said: Carlos was better than Monk imo. plus he still follows me on twitter. Oh my god could you IMAGINE the mess we'd be in right now if Carlos was still in charge? Doesn't bear thinking about 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Oh my god could you IMAGINE the mess we'd be in right now if Carlos was still in charge? Doesn't bear thinking about We are in a mess now really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 Just now, Maxine said: We are in a mess now really. Not a CARLOS level of mess though 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxine Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Not a CARLOS level of mess though There's different levels of mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincs Owl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Not a CARLOS level of mess though What is your gripe with Carlos exactly? In detail, not a one line quip. Didn't you enjoy the 2 seasons in the last 25 when we were actually good? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I wonder I wonder I wonder What Carlos would have done if we had ridden out the storm with him, got players back fit would things have improved? We certainly would have been no worse than where we are now! Could he have built a new team? This will be the big IF! I will say this, as time moves on and we get worse, I look back at those two seasons under Carlos I am more appreciative for what he did with the team and the way he got us playing now that what I probably was then. I honestly though it was just a matter of time before we went up. He's doing great in Portugal! He is by far the best manager we've had in the last 20 years! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 46 minutes ago, Lincs Owl said: What is your gripe with Carlos exactly? In detail, not a one line quip. Didn't you enjoy the 2 seasons in the last 25 when we were actually good? Its the football equivalent of someone drinking 1 bottle of vodka except u might be ok 2 days later doing that ,the carlos damage with paxo puts this club years into trouble. Id sooner have a stable club with gradual progress than a short tempory orgasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Please. We were bringing in everyone at any cost then. Don't rewrite. Please. We're sixth in top netspend over the past 5 seasons... And that's with utter penury as of late. https://www.transferleague.co.uk/championship-teams-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/championship-last-five-season Wheres the clubs who got promoted as were 6th and I'll take a wild stab in the dark that Villa and Newcastle have spent more also and where Championship clubs. So that 7 teams above us which means 6th and 4th placed finishes where more than we realistically could have expected. Don't rewrite history with these imaginary millions more than anybody else we spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoor Owl Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 22/05/2020 at 16:29, Dronfield Blue said: What was terrible was the fact we kept him a season too long. He's coming back isn't he? One can only dream. We had a skipper who actually had a competitive team and challenged for promotion once upon a time. I'd take Carlos back in a heartbeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Lincs Owl said: What is your gripe with Carlos exactly? In detail, not a one line quip. Didn't you enjoy the 2 seasons in the last 25 when we were actually good? Indeed, keen to hear what history there is with @@owlstalk and Carlos, there appears to be some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Carbone said: Indeed, keen to hear what history there is with @@owlstalk and Carlos, there appears to be some There's none at all mate I can just see the long term damage he did We're still trying to sort it all out as we speak Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: There's none at all mate I can just see the long term damage he did We're still trying to sort it all out as we speak Blame those above Carlos at the time. Not the guy who was given a clear remit to get us promoted as soon as possible with a chairman who was happy to splash the cash on wacky signings in a desperate attempt to get us to the Premier League before our 150th anniversary. A risky gamble which nearly came off twice. Carlos is the scapegoat. A reminder that it was made quite clear that Carlos was the Head Coach, not the Manager. Edited July 6, 2020 by SallyCinnamon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: There's none at all mate I can just see the long term damage he did We're still trying to sort it all out as we speak Do you think he’s more responsible than Chansiri and Paixao? I really don’t understand why you think Carlos is to blame for long term problems whilst those two are still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, SallyCinnamon said: Blame those above Carlos at the time. Not the manager who was given a clear remit to get us promoted as soon as possible with a chairman who was happy to splash the cash on wacky signings in a desperate attempt to get us to the Premier League before our 150th anniversary. A risky gamble which nearly came off twice. Carlos is the scapegoat. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: Blame those above Carlos at the time. Not the guy who was given a clear remit to get us promoted as soon as possible with a chairman who was happy to splash the cash on wacky signings in a desperate attempt to get us to the Premier League before our 150th anniversary. A risky gamble which nearly came off twice. Carlos is the scapegoat. A reminder that it was made quite clear that Carlos was the Head Coach, not the Manager. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Carbone said: Spot on People will never want to see it though. Much easier to blame the manager instead of digging a bit deeper. All those signings Carlos just refused to play, do people seriously think he was knocking on DC’s door asking for Rhodes, Abdi, McGugan? And then just decide not to play them? Yeah right. Edited July 6, 2020 by SallyCinnamon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: People will never want to see it though. Much easier to blame the manager instead of digging a bit deeper. All those signings Carlos just refused to play, do people seriously think he was knocking on DC’s door asking for Rhodes, Abdi, McGugan? And then just decide not to play them? Yeah right. The man's never won frig all and the reason for that is he's inept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said: People will never want to see it though. Much easier to blame the manager instead of digging a bit deeper. All those signings Carlos just refused to play, do people seriously think he was knocking on DC’s door asking for Rhodes, Abdi, McGugan? And then just decide not to play them? Yeah right. No but CC’s whole philosophy of management meant that players were being recruited he had no intention of playing. It nearly came off but the clash between his adopted management style and the club’s recruitment is why where we are today. One great example is fans’ constant cries for a replacement for Loovens. We got Venancio and he finally played under Jos. There are a good few more examples, he relied on a chosen first team who could pretty much do what they wanted and actively encouraged an us v them in the squad. Like I said, it very nearly came off twice but it didn’t and the players currently leaving are a big part of his legacy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: No but CC’s whole philosophy of management meant that players were being recruited he had no intention of playing. It nearly came off but the clash between his adopted management style and the club’s recruitment is why where we are today. One great example is fans’ constant cries for a replacement for Loovens. We got Venancio and he finally played under Jos. There are a good few more examples, he relied on a chosen first team who could pretty much do what they wanted and actively encouraged an us v them in the squad. Like I said, it very nearly came off twice but it didn’t and the players currently leaving are a big part of his legacy. Was that his philosophy of management? I thought it was two players for every position. Which is pretty normal really for most clubs. Problem is our backup players ended up costing more than our first team players. I would ask whether Carlos got all the targets he wanted too, we were notorious for making signings late into the window. Why was that? Carlos wasn’t in control of the finances, that was the chairman who financed those deals and paid their wages. If the Chairman turns round and says I’ve got 12m to spend on Jordan Rhodes (at the time a proven scorer at this level) would any manager at this level turn it down? I highly doubt it. The mess we are in today is because of the money we splashed and our failure to sell players. Carlos in his role as head coach was not responsible for that side of things. He was in charge of what happened on the pitch and despite the club packing the dressing room with a heavily bloated and unbalanced squad he got us in the play offs twice. Very close. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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