Sgt Wednesday Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 If Hutch and Westwood are the problem then why have the rest of the squad downed tools, its doesn't make sense. If they were the bad apples and Monk drops them then the rest of the players should be supportive and grafting for the gaffer. Truth is, they are coasting through games and doing the bare minimum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: That’s what these sorts of players do, they act up when things aren’t to their liking. Maybe they respected Bruce? Perhaps Monk has come in and shaked it up tactically and the golden boys aren’t happy. He’s obviously got the tactics awfully wrong as results tell us, but what’s followed tell us more about the characters of hutch and Westwood, than monk I admire your certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: I admire your certainty. Cmon mate look at what’s staring at ya, why always hutch and Westwood then and never the other players? Edited February 15, 2020 by FreshOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, victorturner said: The top issue is putting a successful team on the field. As a side issue, he ought to be able to discipline miscreants and move on, even if he does not pick them. Exile is not good management. He is disciplining them. They arent playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said: If Hutch and Westwood are the problem then why have the rest of the squad downed tools, its doesn't make sense. If they were the bad apples and Monk drops them then the rest of the players should be supportive and grafting for the gaffer. Truth is, they are coasting through games and doing the bare minimum. And ths is where DC should step in and show some spine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Problem with freezing players out is that it doesn’t make for a happy camp at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: That’s what these sorts of players do, they act up when things aren’t to their liking. Maybe they respected Bruce? Perhaps Monk has come in and shaked it up tactically and the golden boys aren’t happy. He’s obviously got the tactics awfully wrong as results tell us, but what’s followed tell us more about the characters of hutch and Westwood, than monk Quite right Monk gets my backing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, SallyCinnamon said: Problem with freezing players out is that it doesn’t make for a happy camp at all. So what. They can feck off then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, billyblack said: He is disciplining them. They arent playing It’s going well so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, brando said: not sure about that bud if wrong stand corrected but reckon Westwood must have more international caps than Monk Depends how you define success. I haven’t looked at the figures but I bet monk has more promotions and PL appearances than Westwood as well as a cup win. To put your point into perspective I would guess that nuhiu will finish his career with more international caps than Westwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, BIG D said: It’s going well so far Yep good. They can all leave as well. If you arent in then leave. DC needs to grow a pair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, FreshOwl said: Cmon mate look at what’s staring at ya, why always hutch and Westwood then and never the other players? Tell me why out of our recent managers only Monk has faced allegations of dodgy behaviour from the chairmen who sacked him? Does that make him guilty and mean we shouldn't have hired him? And maybe Jos and Monk are cut from the same cloth. Can't handle dissent - we've all seen bosses like that and the gobby ones are likely to take the flak. I'm not saying Monk is wrong. Nor that he's right. I don't know because I haven't got the evidence that convinces me either way. But it's the vitriol launched at two players who have done pretty well for us that galls me - especially as its based on surmising from the behaviour of two managers who have so far proved to be similarly and remarkably lacking in competence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepitsteel89 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdial said: Unless they have done something that is disciplinary related then they should be Judged on their performances on the pitch versus their colleagues. Obviously we don’t know what’s happened but we need them both badly. Well this is where any decent club would have a code of ethics and any disciplinary action would be ran past a committee so you'd bet on the manager being in the right or at least it not being something trivial, but the way the clubs being ran it could be over a pack of cornflakes for all I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstand Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Like to know Bullens view on Hutch and Westwood right now Obviously didn’t agree with Jos as he brought the two back after Josh was sacked in his caretaker role. Feel Monk needs some support from within which looked imminent with Beattie at one time. At the moment he must feel isolated with possibly no ally to turn too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, billyblack said: So what. They can feck off then. I agree. But there’s a lot of players in that dressing room who would probably back the likes of Westwood and Hutch over the gaffer. After all, they’re probably mates. Tough situation for any manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, southstand said: Like to know Bullens view on Hutch and Westwood right now Obviously didn’t agree with Jos as he brought the two back after Josh was sacked in his caretaker role. Feel Monk needs some support from within which looked imminent with Beattie at one time. At the moment he must feel isolated with possibly no ally to turn too Did think this myself. Say Monk was sacked Monday, if Bullen takes over and puts them both back in against Birmingham then what does that say to the squad? Or even say about the club in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, NeonLeon said: Did think this myself. Say Monk was sacked Monday, if Bullen takes over and puts them both back in against Birmingham then what does that say to the squad? Or even say about the club in the grand scheme of things. Or what does it say about Monk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, rickygoo said: Or what does it say about Monk? The same it said about Jos? I just think lightning doesn’t strike twice with these things. The club has been putting up with nonsense for short term gain for far too long in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, NeonLeon said: I just think lightning doesn’t strike twice with these things. So tell me about the allegations against Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, NeonLeon said: I just think lightning doesn’t strike twice with these things. And talk me through how competently they've handled being at Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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