handworth52 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 cant like anyone see this scheme working , it says unless the required level aint reached 1867 will be cancelled and all money refunded ,well seen that's a certainty why not just cancel the stupid thing before it starts to save any administration costs. if the club is in such trouble why not sell reach? we turned 9 million down a year ago surely we could get 12milion plus now? if that solves the problem what chansiri has caused with the crazy contracts then it needs to be done , I don't think we have heard the last of our bumpy road as a club , what will steve bruce be thinking?reading between the lines regards s agnew that they wouldn't be here unless club matches there ambition , that quote from agnew tells me they have been promised funds/wages to rebuild the squad now or more in the summer , if we are placed in an embargo what chansiri says will be a soft one in march and a full one this summer then there is no way they will have any funds for players , also agnew said we aint selling our best players ie reach,bannan ,forestieri we want to improve round them .. all this is giving very mixed messages . if chansiri backtracks on what he may or may not have promised bruce I can see bruce out of the door even before he walks through it. in any case even if say 1000 bought the 1867 it would only be peanuts ,I doubt that would cover the amount over 39 million over 3 years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 For anyone who does have a spare £500 laging around, would you actually trust DC to spend it prudently? I think there’s just as much chance that within 2 years we’d be back to square one. As one poster has already said, we’re effectively a chip at the roulette wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, frastheowl said: Although, I don't think the scheme is as bad as some are making out...there are potential benefits to it and the continual savings (if promotion isn't achieved) and the TPP points are certainly welcome additions... I can't help but feel, the numbers required to make this scheme work will be completely out of kilter with how many fans could potentially afford to "invest" in the scheme. The prices are high enough to make a lot of fans question whether they can afford such an outlay, asking those people to pay double on the off chance they'll get a free ticket when we promoted, will be hard to stomach for many. Aside from the obvious way of correcting our P&S predicament...selling players. But that of course relies on other teams bidding for our players. And at this current time, I'm not sure there's too many teams out there who'll be interested in our players for the prices we'll be willing to sell at. For me, the only other way of raising anywhere near the amount of cash required, is through businesses who sponsor and use the clubs corporate facilities. Those are the revenues a club needs to be consistently tapping into, to be able to generate the significant amounts of cash required. But unfortunately, Chansiri's ridiculously over-inflated prices in the executive boxes and corporate facilities, have driven those very businesses away. I'm not sure how many executive boxes we have...around 20 maybe? Disregarding the fact, that had we sold those boxes to local businesses for the season, the revenue streams generated would have helped our P&S position prior to this tipping point we are at now. But, those very businesses, who'd you'd hope would have had positive experiences using those facitlities, might well have been persuaded to invest much bigger sums on the premise of discouted prices for executive boxes in the future, guaranteed sponsorship until promotion is reached (and then continued sponsorship if promoted for x amount of seasons). It's these revenue streams that we'e missed out on, which has seriously held us back. We got the rotating LED sponsor boards around the ground...and it's congested with D Taxis and Elev8. Same goes for the scoreboard. How many local businesses sponsor those? Instead of exploiting a vast water source which is already pretty dry, try and find a smaller lake which is full to brimming. I'm certain there's the businesses out there willing to invest in the club...but they need the incentive to. And currently, there isn't. Thats the crux..Its hardly as though the f.ookin' wolf of wall st is a season ticket holder.....Wednesday fans can't afford to bloody speculate...Its not the NASDEQ... The vast majority of Wednesday fans buy their football as it comes....If you can afford to tip up..you tip up...If you can afford a season ticket/...you get one... So here you have yer ordinary Wednesday fan..who history would dictate...simply wants to watch ...The Wednesday Now..we get promises, threats, smoke and mirrors....contradictary statements at 2 in the f.ookin' morning...Blamed for spaffing 10 million on Jordan Rhodes..then by the time you have got yer undercrackers on..You have sold Jack Hunt...you f.ookin' idiot! I honestly can't believe how ludicrous its got...So we don't go up..meh...So we go down...meh...... Take the time to build it again Chansiri...Wednesday fans will wait.. What they don't want is the blame for every single f.ook up you make. I wish to f.ook he would answer one question.. IF as you said...Sheffield Wednesday fans make little difference to the revenue taken..Why in the name of all thats holy is every money grabbing scheme..aimed at US? Sell a player...on yer own...go on...sell one...You decide who it is...You sell him...Sell 2...sell whoever the f.ook...Thats where the money is going to come from... Not from askin' folk who's priorities lie in paying the sodding electric, mortgage or rent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrmason69 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Premier league? How is this team going to get us in the Premier league? We are more likely to go down than up. The little corperal is already spinning his drivel about soft embargoes. So that means he won't be buying any new players. When Leicester fell foul of the rules. Where was their transfer embargo? This scheme is on a promise of premier league football. With this team Steve Bruce simply can't deliver that. It's impossible. No manager in the world could get the current team promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sonny said: Wouldn’t it be a discounted season ticket until we get promoted (not limited to five years max) and a free prem season ticket for five years (not for however long we’d be in the prem)? Apologies. I completely misread the discount until we got promoted. You are right. With the free PL ticket bit, it was badly worded by me. I should have said a PL season ticket for however long we’d be in the Premier - up to a maximum of 5 years. In my head, I was thinking about the consequences of getting relegated in less than 5 years when I worded it. But Then I applied the 5 year bit correctly in my maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsterstone Owl Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Bonkers idea but this might raise some money...give the club £500 and in return you get 500 priority points. Or along same idea give £70 for 70 points, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, steelowl said: I will be totally amazed if it ever raised enough to cover abdi's wages Well mate I have to pay my staffs wages so I ain't subsidising another company that can't sort its own finances out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, handworth52 said: cant like anyone see this scheme working , it says unless the required level aint reached 1867 will be cancelled and all money refunded ,well seen that's a certainty why not just cancel the stupid thing before it starts to save any administration costs. if the club is in such trouble why not sell reach? we turned 9 million down a year ago surely we could get 12milion plus now? if that solves the problem what chansiri has caused with the crazy contracts then it needs to be done , I don't think we have heard the last of our bumpy road as a club , what will steve bruce be thinking?reading between the lines regards s agnew that they wouldn't be here unless club matches there ambition , that quote from agnew tells me they have been promised funds/wages to rebuild the squad now or more in the summer , if we are placed in an embargo what chansiri says will be a soft one in march and a full one this summer then there is no way they will have any funds for players , also agnew said we aint selling our best players ie reach,bannan ,forestieri we want to improve round them .. all this is giving very mixed messages . if chansiri backtracks on what he may or may not have promised bruce I can see bruce out of the door even before he walks through it. in any case even if say 1000 bought the 1867 it would only be peanuts ,I doubt that would cover the amount over 39 million over 3 years . DC has got a record of late of contradicting himself- quite often in the same breath. If he’s told Bruce we have funds and then a week later told the fans we’re heading for embargo then I really wouldn’t be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FARGATEOWL Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 So if you have travelled all over the country watching the owls you will be behind the 1867 club members who have attended a couple of aways who have the extra 230 points. It's basically not fair on our loyalist fans who might not have the spare cash to stump for a Premier league season ticket iou. Also who writes our communications? Massive amount of confusion over this latest proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, HirstWhoScoredIt said: Apologies. I completely misread the discount until we got promoted. You are right. With the free PL ticket bit, it was badly worded by me. I should have said a PL season ticket for however long we’d be in the Premier - up to a maximum of 5 years. In my head, I was thinking about the consequences of getting relegated in less than 5 years when I worded it. But Then I applied the 5 year bit correctly in my maths. No worries, I didn’t pick up in the discount thing myself at first. It could make it a great deal if we perform for the next 20 years as well as we have for the last 20. I thought you probably got the prem season ticket bit but thought I’d make sure as you’d done some good analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, FARGATEOWL said: So if you have travelled all over the country watching the owls you will be behind the 1867 club members who have attended a couple of aways who have the extra 230 points. It's basically not fair on our loyalist fans who might not have the spare cash to stump for a Premier league season ticket iou. Also who writes our communications? Massive amount of confusion over this latest proposition. I’ve already spotted one typo on the FAQ page where they should have inserted a link. Whole thing screams amateur hour. It’s beyond frustrating because I’m fairly certain that I and many others on here could do a better job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Sonny said: Fair enough, that could work but a discount is still a discount. Inflation dictates that season tickets will probably go up in price and the forces behind that are obviously beyond our control. If anything the whole thing is purely a hedge against inflation. He could double the discount and get loads more people signed up but then reduce the clubs profitability for future years too. Don’t get me wrong. It’s got its benefits for anyone with a grand knocking about but in terms of what’s needed to get us out of this hole it’s a crap idea and I doubt it will work. It’s a terrible idea and it will not raise anything like the money needed. I would love to know the projections that the club is working on with this scheme, in terms of what uptake they realisticall expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handworth52 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, owls maniac said: DC has got a record of late of contradicting himself- quite often in the same breath. If he’s told Bruce we have funds and then a week later told the fans we’re heading for embargo then I really wouldn’t be surprised. well I for one wont be shocked if bruce tells chansiri where to stick the job. this 1867 is a joke.i don't chansiri thinks us supporters are paying enough to watch pretty poor stuff week in week out, getting 3-4000 extra to turn up for rest of season would bring in plenty of cash as well as other money spent in club . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, handworth52 said: well I for one wont be shocked if bruce tells chansiri where to stick the job. this 1867 is a joke.i don't chansiri thinks us supporters are paying enough to watch pretty poor stuff week in week out, getting 3-4000 extra to turn up for rest of season would bring in plenty of cash as well as other money spent in club . Bruce has been promised money...He must have been....He wouldn't come otherwise... Whether that money is for Bruce himself or recruitment is what I'm wondering about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, punkskaphil said: Slow down. Plenty of people on here have already shown they're unable to read the FAQs, and now you want them to read a book too? It’s a picture book, to be fair. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, i used to be sc_owl said: It’s a picture book, to be fair. Yep..its a picture book ..full of pictures of Sheffield Wednesday....probably stuff that isn't half as good as the stuff Dunsby puts on here for nowt....but its a book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i used to be sc_owl Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I’ve been trying to think about what this all reminds me of, and it’s just come to me: payday loans. What happens when we need another injection of cash in six, twelve or eighteen months? There is only so much future income you can borrow against, and sooner of later you have to face up to the consequences of spending more than you’re earning. We need to get our regular cash flow sorted and like all but a handful of clubs around the world, that involves selling players to balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 What a load of fantasy 5h1t to be flogging...WAWAW...FFS....feeding on our fkn glimmer...it's just wrong. UTO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On further consideration...it's w4nk. UTO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Sorry if it’s been covered and I’ve not seen it.... Does the free Premier League season ticket still stand if the ownership of the club changed hands? Mr Chansiri has said the club is for sale, so such cash advances could be at risk if the club was sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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