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8 hours ago, StudentOwl said:

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I know I posted this picture in a previous thread, but just to reiterate... the orange line shows the four central defensive players we have on the pitch. Between them they are meant to arrange themselves in such a way that limits the opposition's attack and covers as much width and depth of the pitch between the fullbacks as they can. That is how they positionally ended up trying to defend against Blackburn's front 4. 

 

What. The. Actual. Hell. Hector in a race to the penalty spot, Lees on a race to the left corner flag, Pelupessy on a morning jog.

That's an actual disgrace. I have no words for that and both Jos and the players need to take a long hard look at themselves. If you're not gonna give 100% then bugger off.

 

Its the least we deserve

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The first goal sums Lees up great at the moment, he has the option of going to the ball or marking the runner. Our Tom does neither but instead let’s the runner slip behind him whilst ambling back letting the guy with ball advance on to our box and play pass into the runner. 

 

Just needed to pick one, and commit to it. Did neither and that sums him up, constantly caught in two minds and not decisive enough. 

 

Never a captain, barely a defender! 

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I'm one of Loovens biggest fan's and yes he made Lees probably look better than he is but last season under the same manager playing in the middle of a back 3 he looked solid with Venancio and Pudil either side of him as they both talk and he needs a talker alongside him, Hector to me is the same needs an organiser alongside him to make him simply defend.

 

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2 minutes ago, coopswfc76 said:

I'm one of Loovens biggest fan's and yes he made Lees probably look better than he is but last season under the same manager playing in the middle of a back 3 he looked solid with Venancio and Pudil either side of him as they both talk and he needs a talker alongside him, Hector to me is the same needs an organiser alongside him to make him simply defend.

 

 

I disagree about him looking solid last season, I felt even on our good run he looked the weak link even on th good run.  

He hasn’t been the same defender since loovens lost his legs. 

The work loovens did off the ball with his positioning and reading of the game took away a lot of what lees had to do. 

 

I just dont don’t think he was ever that good, he was decent at the side of a class defender. 

On a side note I bet loovens was some sight in his prime. Very underrated. 

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4 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

I disagree about him looking solid last season, I felt even on our good run he looked the weak link even on th good run.  

He hasn’t been the same defender since loovens lost his legs. 

The work loovens did off the ball with his positioning and reading of the game took away a lot of what lees had to do. 

 

I just dont don’t think he was ever that good, he was decent at the side of a class defender. 

On a side note I bet loovens was some sight in his prime. Very underrated. 

Lees isn't captain material. He needs somebody else calling the shots beside him. 

 

Unfortunately we don't have that figure at the club

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2 minutes ago, HootHoot said:

Lees isn't captain material. He needs somebody else calling the shots beside him. 

 

Unfortunately we don't have that figure at the club

 

I think Leeds had his measure tbh, he was average and still is.  As I have said my thoughts are he fell very lucky to play with someone of loovens ability and it made him look very good and got him to overperform past his ability. 

 

The state we are in he wont have that chance again because we can’t afford the player to carry him 

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2 minutes ago, 2roland2 said:

 

I think Leeds had his measure tbh, he was average and still is.  As I have said my thoughts are he fell very lucky to play with someone of loovens ability and it made him look very good and got him to overperform past his ability. 

 

The state we are in he wont have that chance again because we can’t afford the player to carry him 

I feel Thorniley in future will step up as captain, but right now one the more experienced players needs to step up and take some responsibility. 

 

Personally I was hoping for either Bannan or Reach

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1 minute ago, HootHoot said:

I feel Thorniley in future will step up as captain, but right now one the more experienced players needs to step up and take some responsibility. 

 

Personally I was hoping for either Bannan or Reach

 

I feel for Thorniley, he looks to have what it takes but playing in this team atm must be doing him no good whatsoever. 

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I like Tom, however I would respectfully offer Bannan the captain's armband. I think Tom gets overwhelmed at being captain and struggles at his own game. Would pair him up with Thorniley, he's a good player I like as well think they'd do alright together.

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Just now, 2roland2 said:

 

I feel for Thorniley, he looks to have what it takes but playing in this team atm must be doing him no good whatsoever. 

If we play it right, he will develop into a solid player for us. 

 

But right now, we're a team of individuals, underwhelming ones at that

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9 hours ago, zico.b said:

3. Err, the rest of us season ticket holders, who recognise dog poo

Imagine a situation in your workplace. Where you have achieved the best results your company has achieved for years. Suddenly a new boss comes in and sacks a number of your close colleagues, and replaces them with people you judge not to be as good as your sacked friends. 

Would this endear you new bosses philosophy to you or motivate you to make it work. 

I know football is not the as other businesses, but the players are still human. 

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2 minutes ago, Pale Rider said:

Imagine a situation in your workplace. Where you have achieved the best results your company has achieved for years. Suddenly a new boss comes in and sacks a number of your close colleagues, and replaces them with people you judge not to be as good as your sacked friends. 

Would this endear you new bosses philosophy to you or motivate you to make it work. 

I know football is not the as other businesses, but the players are still human. 

 

Bit when the new boss came in they weren’t achieving at all, Infact they were in the poo big time. 

 

If if I was in that position I would be working my testicles off to try and keep my job and if my mates didn’t do the same then more fool them.  

 

The fact is though imo I don’t think jos is pulling the strings anyhow.  Anyone who thinks he thinks Westwood is number three keeper here is deluded. 

 

Hes is a puppet, and that’s all we will get until Chansiri has had enough 

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9 hours ago, torres said:

I concentrated on his performance in the first half and apart from one good defensive header he looked so far off the pace it was painful 

 

Not once did he try and rally the team and he just looks like he’s really struggling with  his own game 

 

He’s been woeful most of this season and not great last. He was awesome under Gray, but Gray knew what he was doing with a limited squad.

 

it’s clear Jos simply doesn’t know how to organise the team properly.  Old pros like Looverns can help the manager out, but they’re gone or don’t play..

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11 hours ago, kingsidney said:

Bet he hasn’t got the balls to slag the fans off this week!

 Never says a peep when the going gets tough. 

 

Tom Lees is fast becoming an issue IMO...his own performances have been poor and to top it off he’s now finger pointing towards the fans.

 

I just wish we had options in the squad, sadly we haven’t.

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3 hours ago, Philb125 said:

The first goal sums Lees up great at the moment, he has the option of going to the ball or marking the runner. Our Tom does neither but instead let’s the runner slip behind him whilst ambling back letting the guy with ball advance on to our box and play pass into the runner. 

 

Just needed to pick one, and commit to it. Did neither and that sums him up, constantly caught in two minds and not decisive enough. 

 

Never a captain, barely a defender! 

 

Totally agree with everything 

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4 hours ago, 2roland2 said:

 

I disagree about him looking solid last season, I felt even on our good run he looked the weak link even on th good run.  

He hasn’t been the same defender since loovens lost his legs. 

The work loovens did off the ball with his positioning and reading of the game took away a lot of what lees had to do. 

 

I just dont don’t think he was ever that good, he was decent at the side of a class defender. 

On a side note I bet loovens was some sight in his prime. Very underrated. 

Loovens oozed class. In his prime was a league above Tom Lees. Sadly it seems Lees has swallowed his early hype and gone back to the player Leeds gave a free transfer.

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3 hours ago, ZicoSterland2 said:

Loovens oozed class. In his prime was a league above Tom Lees. Sadly it seems Lees has swallowed his early hype and gone back to the player Leeds gave a free transfer.

 

He was leagues above tom lees even towards the end of his career.  Celtic must have seen him at the top of his game 

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16 hours ago, kingsidney said:

Bet he hasn’t got the balls to slag the fans off this week!

 Never says a peep when the going gets tough. 

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

Yet again he was p**s poor yesterday, most overrated player at Hillsborough and certainly not captain material.

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Like I said in my post yesterday,lees is without a doubt the worse captain of Sheffield Wednesday I've ever seen.

he doesn't lead or bark orders or go ape 5h1t on the pitch.

He's been absolutely dogger this season and frankly a embassment.

we're seeing why Leeds got rid.

over 200 championship appearances and he plays like he's never seen a football before

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