daleblue Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, alanharper said: @anne @timmotheowl 16 years Owlstalk membership between them. Zero posts between them. Both "Jos in" I cant agree with publicly slagging other posters off. Post not Poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinator Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 How's chansiri voted 7 times ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucey owl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Out now plz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Pretty conclusive stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Replace him with who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluezer Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 He's got to go ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: I don't think he can turn this around now. But whoever comes in will be contending with the same bull. It's the hangers on and bad advisers I want gone. Otherwise changing the manager is just pissng in the wind That is so very very true. But lets see on here what the plan B is. All well and good getting the manager out, but, who would DC replace him with. Do folk on here really believe that the chairman would listen to the fans wants. I doubt it after the Rhodes fiasco. It doesnt bear thinking about who he would bring in. He might even make Bullen and Weaver joint caretaker managers. Whoopee do. There will be some slit wrists on here. I cant wait for the carnage to begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, alanharper said: Funny how the only people voting "in" have never been actually seen on Owlstalk before... I have. Because there aint a plan B. So I do have the ball* to admit it. What next Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, asteener1867 said: Sad thing is...The overwhelming majority are voting..Cos its ALL we have to go on... No doubt there are more folk than Jos that have f.ooked up..but we can't actually "Vote" them out Im sure the lemmings will win in the end. Oh wait a a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, alanharper said: @anne @timmotheowl 16 years Owlstalk membership between them. Zero posts between them. Both "Jos in" So whats your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 So I see a poll of jos in or out and post my opinion. But apparently I'm a blade or chansiri himself. Sorry that I don't have the same opinion as the rest of you. 97% in fact. So I realise I'm in the minority big style and it's rare that I'm defending the manager when so many people want him out but I feel he's been dealt a very bad hand and now I have to defend myself. Is he doing a good job? Of course not! But it could be a lot worse. We have good players at the club but only a few and I actually think if you take away some of the players who are not playing jos is dealing with one of the lowest wage bills in the league. Once a lot of the players out of contract are off the wagebill in the summer and jos can finally bring his own players in, then I will judge him. What happens if we sack him now and his replacement has no effect? It's just a waste of money. If things nosedive and we are threatening relegation around march time then maybe I will agree he has to go. Have a look at our fixtures in January and February. We should... should... pick up quite a few points so I think we just need to ride this season out. Sorry for not agreeing with everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Getting embarrassing now, fans can see it, journalists, pundits and probably the players considering recent performances. Time for decisive swift action please Mr Chansiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I’m getting to the point where I’m almost past caring. Chansiri hasn’t got a f***ing clue what he’s doing. If he wants to keep Jos in a job and his happy watching the utter garbage that’s being served up then fair play too him, he owns the club and can do what he wants. Whether fans will happily carry on paying the stupidly high ticket prices we currently charge to watch the weekly shovel of s**t on offer at Hillsborough however is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 4 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: It's a shame after he steadied the ship and got the best out of our threadbare squad in the second half of last season that Luhukay seems to have lost his way as badly as he has, but the signs of a terminal decline are all there now. I really can't see him turning this around. This is my mentality. Defended him to the hilt during pre-season, quietly defended him early doors this season wanting to give it 15 games to properly assess... now there's just no excuse. Truthfully I think any manager is on a hiding to nothing with this squad and current ownership, but the tactical naivety displayed by the players over the 90 minutes is unforgivable. The whole place is poison at the minute but I think we've now got to twist... sticking with the hand we've currently been given just isn't going to be good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, CLswfc said: That is so very very true. But lets see on here what the plan B is. All well and good getting the manager out, but, who would DC replace him with. Do folk on here really believe that the chairman would listen to the fans wants. I doubt it after the Rhodes fiasco. It doesnt bear thinking about who he would bring in. He might even make Bullen and Weaver joint caretaker managers. Whoopee do. There will be some slit wrists on here. I cant wait for the carnage to begin. Fair points. Jos needs to be given his marching orders, but replacing him won't be easy. We're brown and smelly these days, and I don't see Joko or Brucie wanting to take us on. They're associated with clubs with money/parachute clubs. The man best qualified to deal with our particular predicament is now Ireland manager. It'll be some unknown from the Turkish third division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Truthfully I think any manager is on a hiding to nothing with this squad and current ownership, So what is the point of getting rid of jos then? We are fizzed financially right now and jos I'm sure would need a payoff. Then we would need another wage as manager for no benefit. I see what you say about the questionable tactics and one thing that is mentioned a lot is his changing of formations but look at his record with Berlin on trabsfermarkt I think it is. He changes formations regularly for them and it worked. Hell it works for Leeds who switch formation between 3 and 4 at the back. Unfortunately we just don't have the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 minute ago, RockieOwl said: So what is the point of getting rid of jos then? We are fizzed financially right now and jos I'm sure would need a payoff. Then we would need another wage as manager for no benefit. I see what you say about the questionable tactics and one thing that is mentioned a lot is his changing of formations but look at his record with Berlin on trabsfermarkt I think it is. He changes formations regularly for them and it worked. Hell it works for Leeds who switch formation between 3 and 4 at the back. Unfortunately we just don't have the players I would argue you've made the counter-argument to your own post for me! Like you say, we don't have the players for it. From playing staff to coaching staff to management staff, it's all about the right fit. If you've got a club focussed on youth development, you want a coach that will complement that. If you've got a coach that wants to rotate formations, you need players that complement that. It works for Leeds because that's the sort of coach Bielsa is, and Bielsa bought in the sort of players that can handle the changing of formations... and they also had some pre-existing players that could handle it too. Like you say, we don't have the players for it. We need a coach that is going to remain largely tactically consistent, or we need to bring in players to complement the style. As the latter isn't doable, that leaves us with the former. I'm sure if you look back to Luhukay's Hertha Berlin squad they would have had plenty of players who could alternate between those formations. Sheffield Wednesday don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 We don't have the players full stop. Not to do with the changing the formation. If we played 3-5-2 every game then I don't think we would do much better if at all. To answer your question though, maybe Jos is figuring out who can play to his methods and who can't. He's hardly had chance to bring his own players in which is why I think he could be given more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejohn Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I’m not one for calling for managers to go and I sort of get the decision to go with the kids but this bloke isn’t the answer. No charisma, no passion, dreadful tactics and baffling team selections add up to disaster. As to who replaces him I have no idea but a megson type is called for maybe even megson himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty0wls Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 He’s not the right man for the job, but if it cost a lot to get Joss in compared to Carlos, and we now don’t have any money, then I seriously fear our next apppintment could be worse than Joss. All speculative though. If you have a rubbish striker who sometimes turns up and scores but is rubbish the rest of the time, would you take the risk and swap that for someone, suggested by a dodgy agency (Doyen), that you’ve never seen/ heard of before? I think you would stick with the striker and get a good coach in to help. When applied to SWFC, this could be an English director of football. All im saying is, all the scenarios and potential/ likely outcomes should be considered before making a decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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