Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, gurujuan said: Guess the fact that he’s 25 and has done nothing to attract attention from any of the better clubs, might put people off He attracted Peterborough, club famed for picking up good lower league youngsters and making them into top 2 division stars. Good enough for me. It's not like he'd be an instant starter here if he came. Edited July 5, 2018 by Birley Owl 1867 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Sunderland had an offer turned down 4 days ago,but are confident in signing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Unless he's out of contract, Peterborough won't have their pants pulled for £1.5mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris E Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, gurujuan said: Guess the fact that he’s 25 and has done nothing to attract attention from any of the better clubs, might put people off How do you know he's never attracted attention? How do you know he's not a late developer? How many times have you seen him play? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelswfc Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 hours ago, StudentOwl said: Don't be daft I love this... every time there's any sniff of a transfer we don't like it's "Ooooh, bet it's that Doyen influence". I'm open to being corrected, but I doubt Doyen will have even heard of this lad, let alone got him as a client. Pretty clear what's going on here... the bloke is a CB/right back/defensive midfielder kind of player... that flexibility in where he can play says that he can play with the ball a little but is broadly defensive. Last season he played for Posh almost exclusively as a CB. And what whispers have we heard in the last 48 hours or so? That we missed out on Venancio. IMO, he seems on paper like exactly the sort of style of player you'd want as a right centre back in a back 3. The only question is whether this is an "instead of" or an "as well as" to Venancio. My pessimistic guess is the former... put simply Fred was our first choice, Baldwin was our second. Quite incredible that we much malign the club for being slow in the transfer market, then when we get news that we've made enquiries about a defender within a day or two of getting rumours that we've missed out on one, some of the fanbase scream poor outside influence? Sounds like ruddy initiative to me. People seem to think we've got the money to be spending a couple of million on a CB. We don't. We might now we've got some sweet sweet Hunt money, but we also need to replace him with some of that cash too. Great post. Good to see some rational thinking for once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ChansirisArmy said: Sign league 1 players...youll end up 8n league 1... Tell that to Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ChansirisArmy said: Sign league 1 players...youll end up 8n league 1... or you could find a gem like Kieran lee and challenge for the play offs ……all that matters is how good they are not where they came from . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ChansirisArmy said: Sign league 1 players...youll end up 8n league 1... Not done the blunts any harm Fleck, Coutts, o conell for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldishowl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Never seen this guy play. However I am fed up of signing defenders that can’t defend, football players who can’t run and players that are not tough enough and disappear when going gets tough. He is their captain so probably a leader on the pitch, if he is tough as nails and reasonably athletic and likes a tackle then give it a go if the price is right . We need to toughen up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 He is listed for transfer too by Peterborough apparently. Similarly to Marriott. Means they can't command an even bigger fee which some are bedwetting about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, oldishowl said: Never seen this guy play. However I am fed up of signing defenders that can’t defend, football players who can’t run and players that are not tough enough and disappear when going gets tough. He is their captain so probably a leader on the pitch, if he is tough as nails and reasonably athletic and likes a tackle then give it a go if the price is right . We need to toughen up. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ChansirisArmy said: Sign league 1 players...youll end up 8n league 1... Thats not 100% true though is it...Dele Ali if you want to be extreme but if you want to be more relevant you only have to look at where hooper started and played most of his career. Kieran Lee is another example. if you look at other current championship players with successful records...assombalonga, you could go on for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, torryowl said: or you could find a gem like Kieran lee and challenge for the play offs ……all that matters is how good they are not where they came from . Completely agree, a certain Deli Ali hasn’t done so bad has he . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest addedtime Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 hours ago, ChansirisArmy said: Sign league 1 players...youll end up 8n league 1... Tell that to the Blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: He hasn't even reached his prime yet. 25 is no age in footy. I forgot though in the world of owlstalk, if they're over 21 they're prepping for their impending retirement. I see your point, but you have to admit their potential for improvement at 25 is less than at 21. Sometimes you hit an undiscovered gem (Jamie Vardy or Rickie Lambert spring to mind) but overall the amount of improvement and value you can expect from older players is lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, ChansirisArmy said: Brentford.... sign league 1 players end up in league 1.. Hence why they finished above us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChansirisArmy said: I know...but in the long run they will slide down the league if they don't sign a few proven higher level players..players like Baldwin are not up to it...Just another fox ...and I'm not talking ginger fluffy scavenger. Well excuse me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 We don’t want to paying that sort of fee, or any sort of fee, for a 25 year old back up player If money can be spent on players, spend it on players who will improve the starting eleven Or young talents who can be developed for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 6 hours ago, gurujuan said: Guess the fact that he’s 25 and has done nothing to attract attention from any of the better clubs, might put people off We might have a manager who can actually "coach" a player to improvement? Not a "charisma" merchant that sky like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, Costello 77 said: We might have a manager who can actually "coach" a player to improvement? Not a "charisma" merchant that sky like. Of course, however although there are plenty of examples of late bloomers, it’s not the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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