fred mciver Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 For those of us looking for a fair package, see Exeter's reaction to losing their brilliant young gun Ethan Ampadu to Chelsea last year. Having played a few first team games already for Blues this season, Grecians get a basic £1.3 million with add ons up to £2.5, plus 20% sell on clause. Basically, peanuts for a now EPL player. Via this route, we are looking at 2/3 rds of FA for our above 2 future stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdial Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 We need the sell on clause, if they are any good they will move on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatdial said: We need the sell on clause, if they are any good they will move on again. How do you negotiate a sell on clause for a player not contracted to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Owl999 said: How do you negotiate a sell on clause for a player not contracted to you ? Not negotiated, compensation via committee/ tribunal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwowl Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 That’s much more than I thought we would get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owl999 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Xxxxxxxxcxcc said: Not negotiated, compensation via committee/ tribunal ? You won’t get sell on clauses from a tribunal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred mciver Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Owl999 said: How do you negotiate a sell on clause for a player not contracted to you ? Looking at the Tribunal's ruling, it does appear they have the power to order a sell on clause (20% for Exeter here). But on the basis this Chelsea kid's played 9 EPL games for them this season, we'd be lucky to get 5 bob for Hirsty and Clare. What a mess. Hope Katy's reviewing all our young uns contracts. Edited April 20, 2018 by fred mciver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, fred mciver said: For those of us looking for a fair package, see Exeter's reaction to losing their brilliant young gun Ethan Ampadu to Chelsea last year. Having played a few first team games already for Blues this season, Grecians get a basic £1.3 million with add ons up to £2.5, plus 20% sell on clause. Basically, peanuts for a now EPL player. Via this route, we are looking at 2/3 rds of FA for our above 2 future stars. Just seen that, it's an absolute joke. International footballer and played 8 times in the prem for them at 17 and Exeter get £1m. They paid £75m for Morata ffs, it's a shambles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Sell on clause is where the money is. £2m or thereabouts for a young player who only has limited first team minutes is not too bad up front. If either had been a first team regular we could have raised our expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 As others have said the sell on clause is key. If we can get 20% sell on clause as part of the Hirst deal it’d be great especially if he goes to Leicester (not so much if he goes to Man Utd as he’ll just stay there if he’s decent). It’d also be good to get a sell on clause for Clare although I’m not so sure he’ll be as good as I think perhaps he thinks he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 It seems to me that these tribunals mostly serve the buying club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, striker said: Sell on clause is where the money is. £2m or thereabouts for a young player who only has limited first team minutes is not too bad up front. If either had been a first team regular we could have raised our expectations Reckon we could argue that Clare was becoming a regular until his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I know Hirst and Clare will be out of contract but i think the new club still negotiate with the existing club to see if they can try and avoid the need for tribunal. If this is the case this is were we need to be smart and let them go for a £1-2m fee with a 15% ish sell on fee. Barnsley got £3m for John Stones then got £7.5m when he was sold on. Sheff Utd got £2.5m for Maguire then got over £5m when he was sold on. We have as a club been pretty crap so far managing the contracts getting a smart deal for the club for these two would be a good start - but if both deals go to tribunal expect to get jack as the proceeding always favour the premier league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan_Pepper Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, Owl999 said: You won’t get sell on clauses from a tribunal Exeter did didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Owl999 said: You won’t get sell on clauses from a tribunal I thought we would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Owl999 said: You won’t get sell on clauses from a tribunal It happens. There are precedents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xxxxxxxxcxcc Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Spookone said: I thought we would? Probably would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyowl Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Lessons definitely learned with regards to Hirst & Clare, looks like with us signing on a lot of the u23's we have recognised the mistakes we have made Carlos 0 interest with the youngsters has cost us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xxxxxxxxcxcc said: It happens. There are precedents. Its not a precedent, its the norm. Fees decided at tribunals are, 90% of the time, about the potential of the player rather than one who's already "made it", so usually they are quite low. What bumps the deal up is first team appearance and international call up clauses and healthy sell on fees. I'd expect the Hirst deal to be low up front (£1mish) and loaded with add ons. Edited April 20, 2018 by just visiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfern Froggatt Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Although Ampadu is clearly ahead of Hirst in his development he is a defensive midfielder. Strikers always command the highest transfer fees - so lets hope the same is true of tribunal fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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