TrickyTrev Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, AwokenGiant said: As said, see my earlier posts Eightace. Money doesn't always guarantee success and in fact in some cases it can create more problems. If it was that simple, Clubs would just spend money and not bother with a manager. Carvalhal and Gray deserve credit in both circumstances, this goes with saying, but its too easy to say that Carlos's job has been easier. He deserves credit but of course it's been easier!! If you're forced to scrape the barrel looking for loan players like Gary Taylor-Fletcher and then suddenly you can go out and sign Fernando Forestieri your jobs not exactly become harder has it!? Is it just a coincidence that we've been crap for the best part of 2 decades and have never once looked like getting promoted to the Premier League until Dejphon Chansiri bought significant investment into the club? I get that you're a big Carlos fan and that's fair enough but please don't try to pretend that a managers job isn't made easier when significant funds are made available to him. I'm sure Carlos would much rather be working with the players he has now than Joe Mattock, Darren Potter, Leon Clarke and Deon Burton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james o connor Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 That's a good win ratio nobody can deny it . Completely wrong to compare against grays tenure though . Carlos hasn't had to pick up frees like Stephen mcphail and sidibie.... I'm not starting another Carlos bashing thread but to compare him to previous squads is like complementing a Porsche when up against a fiat punto. It's not really fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TrickyTrev said: He deserves credit but of course it's been easier!! If you're forced to scrape the barrel looking for loan players like Gary Taylor-Fletcher and then suddenly you can go out and sign Fernando Forestieri your jobs not exactly become harder has it!? Is it just a coincidence that we've been crap for the best part of 2 decades and have never once looked like getting promoted to the Premier League until Dejphon Chansiri bought significant investment into the club? I get that you're a big Carlos fan and that's fair enough but please don't try to pretend that a managers job isn't made easier when significant funds are made available to him. I'm sure Carlos would much rather be working with the players he has now than Joe Mattock, Darren Potter, Leon Clarke and Deon Burton. For the record, I like what Carlos has done/is doing but that doesn't cloud my perspective (as said, see earlier posts in this thread). I'd like to think I am fair with my judgement whether that be Gray, Carvalhal or whoever. Edited September 11, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Eightace said: He was crap but it was an example. We were properly skint. Blinkin Mourinho would have struggled. I could go out and buy Diame, Woods and Knockhaert and look like the best manager we ever had. Not knocking Carlos but win rate doesn't tell the full story about what's happed since the premier league days Exactly, if you compare what we've spent in today's money to what BIG Ron spent?? People had started spending. 3million on signings Hirst was 250 grand Oo. I don't think that whole squad cost more than 1.5m can you imagine buying that squad in today's money?? Though Hirst was already here when he took over. Edited September 11, 2017 by shezzas left peg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 9 hours ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Good stat, just don't look at his play-off win ratio though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: He deserves credit but of course it's been easier!! If you're forced to scrape the barrel looking for loan players like Gary Taylor-Fletcher and then suddenly you can go out and sign Fernando Forestieri your jobs not exactly become harder has it!? Is it just a coincidence that we've been crap for the best part of 2 decades and have never once looked like getting promoted to the Premier League until Dejphon Chansiri bought significant investment into the club? I get that you're a big Carlos fan and that's fair enough but please don't try to pretend that a managers job isn't made easier when significant funds are made available to him. I'm sure Carlos would much rather be working with the players he has now than Joe Mattock, Darren Potter, Leon Clarke and Deon Burton. I'm not a massive Megson fan, he's past it and a bit of a dinosaur to the modern game, bit like Pearson, but I do think he'd have been slightly better in the transfer market with getting recruitment right early on and also maybe a bit closer to automatic promotion with Carlos funds to spend. The one I always remind myself is this. Stuart Grey built most of this squad, especially that exceptional hardworking defencive unit Carlos was lucky to inherit, all Carlos needed to do was spend on some good firepower and we were on the up. Still for me after over 20 million spent our most IMPORTANT players are Lees, Westwood, (had to make sure I didn't put Lee Westwood) and hutch. Along with Hooper and Bannan. Edited September 11, 2017 by shezzas left peg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: I'm not a massive Megson fan, he's past it and a bit of a dinosaur to the modern game, bit like Pearson, but I do think he'd have been slightly better in the transfer market with getting recruitment right early on and also maybe a bit closer to automatic promotion with Carlos funds to spend. The one I always remind myself is this. Stuart Grey built most of this squad, especially that exceptional hardworking defencive unit Carlos was lucky to inherit, all Carlos needed to do was spend on some good firepower and we were on the up. Still for me after over 20 million spent our most IMPORTANT players are Lees, Westwood, (had to make sure I didn't put Lee Westwood) and hutch. Along with Hooper and Bannan. All the shenanigans with making sure I didn't put Lee Westwood meant I didn't add Lee in the end. Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeverleyOwl74 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 7 hours ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Depends if we include pen shoot outs! They're a lottery anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lees Tom Cat Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Carlos doubters don't like stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Abit like looking at how many games Man City have won since 2008 and comparing it to how many they won the 9 years previous.... on a smaller scale of course Edited September 11, 2017 by Stoop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Heading in the right direction. Edited September 13, 2017 by AwokenGiant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffsteel Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Chris Wilder has won 15 out of his last 18 league matches, 21 wins from his last 24 matches if your include the pre-season friendlies. He's also currently on 9 consecutive home wins in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, sheffsteel said: Chris Wilder has won 15 out of his last 18 league matches, 21 wins from his last 24 matches if your include the pre-season friendlies. He's also currently on 9 consecutive home wins in the league. What's your point? Including pre-season friendlies too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 But yeah this is a thread about Carlos and his win ratio. Not sure why one of our resident pigflaps feels the need to come on and start jerking himself off over Lord of the Chavs, Chris Wilder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls maniac Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, sheffsteel said: Chris Wilder has won 15 out of his last 18 league matches, 21 wins from his last 24 matches if your include the pre-season friendlies. He's also currently on 9 consecutive home wins in the league. Games in the pub league don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 hours ago, sheffsteel said: Chris Wilder has won 15 out of his last 18 league matches, 21 wins from his last 24 matches if your include the pre-season friendlies. He's also currently on 9 consecutive home wins in the league. He's done well, but we are talking consistency over the long-term in the Championship not League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indoor Owl Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 11/09/2017 at 09:46, TrickyTrev said: He deserves credit but of course it's been easier!! If you're forced to scrape the barrel looking for loan players like Gary Taylor-Fletcher and then suddenly you can go out and sign Fernando Forestieri your jobs not exactly become harder has it!? Is it just a coincidence that we've been crap for the best part of 2 decades and have never once looked like getting promoted to the Premier League until Dejphon Chansiri bought significant investment into the club? I get that you're a big Carlos fan and that's fair enough but please don't try to pretend that a managers job isn't made easier when significant funds are made available to him. I'm sure Carlos would much rather be working with the players he has now than Joe Mattock, Darren Potter, Leon Clarke and Deon Burton. If money is all it takes, how come the ex-PL clubs are doing so poorly? QPR? Villa? Norwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) On 11/09/2017 at 09:30, ramone said: Misleading...??? Its a stat. Black and white. There's literally nothing misleading about it. I'm a CC fan, but this is a silly statement. The stat is clearly framed in such a way as to suggest only one obvious conclusion. Stats that do that are ten a penny. In politics, they're fifty a penny. In football, thousands to the penny. Dangerous to dismiss as 'black and white' just because they're numbers. Context is everything, and cold hard stats - good or bad - tend to lack context when it suits the poster. I'd even go so far as to say that's the point of stats - they're an unrefined argument that lacks a wider view. It's what you DO with stats, and how you frame them, that creates a strong argument. Edited September 14, 2017 by Mr. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 We have lost and given up far too many points at home. This has been the difference between promotion and staying put. We shouldn't lose more than 1 a year at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CrosbyKitchens said: We have lost and given up far too many points at home. This has been the difference between promotion and staying put. We shouldn't lose more than 1 a year at home. Seems reasoble. 96% unbeaten otherwise I'll do a cross poo. FFSaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake man 1/23. IN THIS LEAGUE Edited September 14, 2017 by Mr. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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