AwokenGiant Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Not bad that, lad. Edited September 11, 2017 by AwokenGiant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Good stat, just don't look at his play-off win ratio though! 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Good stat, just don't look at his play-off win ratio though! I know, hopefully go one better this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 A little misleading. Can't believe Carlos would have won many of the 42 games prior to his arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pazowl55 said: A little misleading. Can't believe Carlos would have won many of the 42 games prior to his arrival. Misleading...??? Its a stat. Black and white. There's literally nothing misleading about it. Edited September 11, 2017 by ramone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 This is a strange one really because it all ties in with the Chansiri takeover and therefore how much of it was down to investment and how much of it down to Carlos? I'll hazard a guess and say that if Carlos had to work with what some of the previous managers had to he wouldn't have lasted a season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ramone said: Misleading... Its a stat. Black and white. There's literally nothing misleading about it. What's stats don't do is take into account how rubbish your were for the first 42 of them 140 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ramone said: Misleading...??? Its a stat. Black and white. There's literally nothing misleading about it. I think what he means is if Carlos was in charge with the team that we had prior to his arrival he wouldn't have done much better stat wise. I don't know the stats from Gray's time in charge but if you knew football you'll know he did a much better job than what the stats will suggest with the side he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 you'd have to be a very demanding fan to question him result wise ,what most criticise him for is how he achieves the results ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ash76 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: Good stat, just don't look at his play-off win ratio though! Lost 1 out 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, torryowl said: you'd have to be a very demanding fan to question him result wise ,what most criticise him for is how he achieves the results ..... Not really questioning his achievements. Just saying if we had had a better team the first 42 matches. He may have needed 10 more wins to reach this stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorrallOwl17 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Form is good currently, 7 from 9, back it up tomorrow night with a win then move onto Cardiff with 10 from 12, if the Preston, Sunderland and QPR games were our blip then I'd be over the moon to get it out of the way early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: I think what he means is if Carlos was in charge with the team that we had prior to his arrival he wouldn't have done much better stat wise. I don't know the stats from Gray's time in charge but if you knew football you'll know he did a much better job than what the stats will suggest with the side he had. I agree, Carvalahal has worked with a better squad and Gray's stats were impressive with what he was working with, but some of our fans think that just a team on paper warrants results. In reality, there's much more to it than that and both Gray and Carvalhal's stats and work should be seen in a positive light despite differing circumstances. To conclude, I think what the stats definitely tell us is that the club is performing better than it was, and that is something for us ALL to celebrate. Edited September 11, 2017 by AwokenGiant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwokenGiant Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MuddyFunkster said: This is a strange one really because it all ties in with the Chansiri takeover and therefore how much of it was down to investment and how much of it down to Carlos? I'll hazard a guess and say that if Carlos had to work with what some of the previous managers had to he wouldn't have lasted a season. Whilst it wasn't the prettiest, he did very well (results wise) last season without a number of key/top players - so maybe a little harsh on him. Edited September 11, 2017 by AwokenGiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramone Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: I think what he means is if Carlos was in charge with the team that we had prior to his arrival he wouldn't have done much better stat wise. I don't know the stats from Gray's time in charge but if you knew football you'll know he did a much better job than what the stats will suggest with the side he had. Absolutely. I loved Stuart Gray. I was mortified when he got sacked. However its not misleading is it? It's just numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, AwokenGiant said: Whilst it wasn't the prettiest, he did very well (results wise) last season without a number of key/top players - so maybe a little harsh on him. Oh no that wasn't what I meant. Just saying it's hard to equate because he came in at the same time as all the finance rather than just as a follow-on from Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Ash76 said: Lost 1 out 5 That's not his win ratio! Replace "Lost" with "Won" and you're correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, oh_weds_we_love_you said: That's not his win ratio! Replace "Lost" with "Won" and you're correct! it's a better ratio than klopp 2 at Huddersfield...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Obviously the win rate will go up when you have spent more money in two years than the club had previously spent in the last 17 years. Not knocking him but it's not really a stat that proves much apart from money helps. If Gray had been given big bucks I'm sure he wouldn't have been scratching around the bargain bins like he had to and his win rate would have been higher too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 41 minutes ago, torryowl said: it's a better ratio than klopp 2 at Huddersfield...... Depends if we include pen shoot outs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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