Think tank Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Costello 77 said: The defence IS NOT THE PROBLEM. Where did I mention the defence????? I said a midfielder with defensive qualities? The main problem is the formation because we don't play with attacking wingers, but I was commenting on playing Lee and Bannan in the middle of 4-4-2 being too lightweight. We should be changing the formation with the squad we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello 77 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Think tank said: Where did I mention the defence????? I said a midfielder with defensive qualities? The main problem is the formation because we don't play with attacking wingers, but I was commenting on playing Lee and Bannan in the middle of 4-4-2 being too lightweight. We should be changing the formation with the squad we have. How can Lee and Bannan be too lightweight when we're not shipping goals? Quiche salad and using up some dodgy looking strawberries. French dressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Think tank Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Costello 77 said: How can Lee and Bannan be too lightweight when we're not shipping goals? Quiche salad and using up some dodgy looking strawberries. French dressing. Because we lose control of the midfield too easily, which means we can't attack. Hutch being in there doesn't work when we have such conservative wingers. The balance of our midfield is all wrong. Both legs of the Huddersfield game illustrated it perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Westwood Hunt Lees Loovens Pudil Boyd Abdi Hutch Matias Forestieri Joao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 You look through this thread and everybody has a different opinion on the team and the formation. And there lies the problem. Carlos doesn't know his best team, we don't know our best team and our midfield balance is wrong. It looks like it's going to be 4-4-2 again but I really don't think it suits us. Hope to be proved wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnsleyOwl96 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Westwood hunt lees loovens reach boyd lee bannan ff hooper rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bouncing Owl said: You look through this thread and everybody has a different opinion on the team and the formation. And there lies the problem. Carlos doesn't know his best team, we don't know our best team and our midfield balance is wrong. It looks like it's going to be 4-4-2 again but I really don't think it suits us. Hope to be proved wrong! I'm not sure he has as many voices in his head as the 100 or so posts here. Most people have an idea of how they'd set up, with subtle variances depending on opposition, fitness and form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 54 minutes ago, Think tank said: Where did I mention the defence????? I said a midfielder with defensive qualities? The main problem is the formation because we don't play with attacking wingers, but I was commenting on playing Lee and Bannan in the middle of 4-4-2 being too lightweight. We should be changing the formation with the squad we have. Other than 2 CHs I think this is where we need to improve (in centre mid). Bazza sprays it around but not always great defensively, Hutch great defensively but maybe not box to box, KL box to box but not the same ability as a playmaker like Bazza or to win the ball like Hutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, No 2 is r nilsson said: Other than 2 CHs I think this is where we need to improve (in centre mid). Bazza sprays it around but not always great defensively, Hutch great defensively but maybe not box to box, KL box to box but not the same ability as a playmaker like Bazza or to win the ball like Hutch. If we played a midfield 3 in a different formation, it would suit all the above 3 players and they would thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bouncing Owl said: If we played a midfield 3 in a different formation, it would suit all the above 3 players and they would thrive. Yesterday Bazza and Jones did the holding role. Against a much better team I question whether these 2 would be powerful enough to control the middle. Maybe Carlos is counting on Hoops, Boyd and Nando being a handful in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncing Owl Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, No 2 is r nilsson said: Yesterday Bazza and Jones did the holding role. Against a much better team I question whether these 2 would be powerful enough to control the middle. Maybe Carlos is counting on Hoops, Boyd and Nando being a handful in front. If we are going with 4-4-2, I wonder whether we play Hutch and Lee in the centre and Bannan left midfield and possibly Reach left back. Reach can provide the width and Bannan could drop in if he makes forward runs. I personally feel we need Hutch or a defensive midfielder in there as we are a bit soft as a team. I can't get excited with Lee and Bannan in the middle - we will get overrun and out-muscled in certain games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Holmowl said: We have been told. It's 442. FF will play mainly wide. We have three very winnable games to kick us off. If we start with the current squad, all fit except Hutch, who do you personally want to see playing those positions early season? Here's mine... Westwood Hunt Lees Loovens Reach Boyd Bannan Lee FF Rhodes Hooper Difficult decisions over Fletch and Wallace for Hooper and Boyd. But that shows how strong competition for places will be. Im hugely optimistic about the squad, the team, and our chances. If we had a quick, physical CB such as Bartley then we may be able to do without a holding midfielder / destroyer. If the Huddleston rumours are true this adds physicality to the midfield. I'd switch FF and Boyd giving Reach support at LB and FF supporting Hunt. Also allows for earlier crosses which as we saw yesterday with Reach will lead to goals. If we could get 2-3m for Abdi to some Europa League team then I'd happily trade him in as just don't think he has physicality to handle middle of the park in a 2. Tough on Bannan to drop out but his shooting is appalling. Lee and Huddston CM for me.. Edited July 16, 2017 by DuttyTeabags Jungle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, DuttyTeabags said: If the Huddleston rumours are true this adds physicality to the midfield. Huddlestone signed for Derby yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, StudentOwl said: Huddlestone signed for Derby yesterday... Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) First game at Preston, if Hutch is unfit, it will be Lee and Jones in the middle, absolutely no doubt about that, and most likely, Bannan wide left Edited July 16, 2017 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: First game at Preston, if Hutch is unfit, it will Lee and Jones in the middle, absolutely no doubt about that, and most likely, Bannan wide left I'd be the first to slit my wrists at this prospect. Shows zero progress on tactics from the turge of last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, gurujuan said: First game at Preston, if Hutch is unfit, it will be Lee and Jones in the middle, absolutely no doubt about that, and most likely, Bannan wide left So you're not taking Carlos at his word then Guru? Ever the little ray of sunshine aren't ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, DuttyTeabags said: I'd be the first to slit my wrists at this prospect. Shows zero progress on tactics from the turge of last year... Can you see us going into the first game, a tricky away game, playing two wingers We will look to keep it tight, and hope to nick it by bringing on the big guns as Preston tire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuttyTeabags Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, gurujuan said: Can you see us going into the first game, a tricky away game, playing two wingers We will look to keep it tight, and hope to nick it by bringing on the big guns as Preston tire Attack, attack, attack. I'll take 4 3 win in every game this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: So you're not taking Carlos at his word then Guru? Ever the little ray of sunshine aren't ya! Of course not, that was just one for the punters With the same personnel, we will always try and narrow the midfield in away games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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