island owl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 You have to bear in mind that he was not fit for most of the season, then played out of position. Just need to play to his strengths . He will create and score goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, torryowl said: unless carlos has a radical rethink i don't see how he gets a place in the side ... Same could easily be said for Rhodes... But for many it's not the fault of Rhodes that he can't buy a goal - yet very little of the same goodwill for Abdi who is is similarly suffering for not being able to shine in a system that doesn't suit him But it's not about Abdi - it's about the team doing the best they can and if the manager sees a system that doesn't have Abdi in it then as i said earlier - let him go and get what we can for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, island owl said: You have to bear in mind that he was not fit for most of the season, then played out of position. Just need to play to his strengths . He will create and score goals He was played in a position that he'd played many times in the Premier League the season before. It may not be his best position as an individual player, but he should be more than capable of making an impact from wide midfield in the Championship. I wouldn't be surprised to see him feature out wide again next season, assuming he's over his injury issues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 minute ago, scram said: Same could easily be said for Rhodes... But for many it's not the fault of Rhodes that he can't buy a goal - yet very little of the same goodwill for Abdi who is is similarly suffering for not being able to shine in a system that doesn't suit him But it's not about Abdi - it's about the team doing the best they can and if the manager sees a system that doesn't have Abdi in it then as i said earlier - let him go and get what we can for him Got to agree with Scram on this one... and you were so excited about the idea of him joining us! I just can't see Abdi working in a midfield 2, and if we're going to persist with 4-4-2, it'd be a waste of his talent and our money to keep him here. He'd be wasted out wide and I can't help but feel not able to flourish in a central pairing. He's still got big wages and would demand a price tag of a couple of million... both of these could be used elsewhere in the squad. Pegs and holes spring to mind again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: He was played in a position that he'd played many times in the Premier League the season before. It may not be his best position as an individual player, but he should be more than capable of making an impact from wide midfield in the Championship. I wouldn't be surprised to see him feature out wide again next season, assuming he's over his injury issues... Dear god no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Dear god no He's good enough to play there in the Premier League, but not for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, scram said: Same could easily be said for Rhodes... But for many it's not the fault of Rhodes that he can't buy a goal - yet very little of the same goodwill for Abdi who is is similarly suffering for not being able to shine in a system that doesn't suit him But it's not about Abdi - it's about the team doing the best they can and if the manager sees a system that doesn't have Abdi in it then as i said earlier - let him go and get what we can for him he's a good player who if bannan did get injured could step in and maybe keep the position so i wouldn't be selling just yet ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizumgeorge Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 3 hours ago, torryowl said: he's a good player who if bannan did get injured could step in and maybe keep the position so i wouldn't be selling just yet ....... He wouldnt keep the position from bannan, bannan was dropped at leeds last year for abdi and abdi was shocking and got dragged off at half time! Hes just not that good, we all wish he was but he isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Carlos needs to justify paying good the money for a player that was quality at Watford that we played good money for and then never got the best out of. Make or break for a lot of players and Carlos this year. Either find a system that suits our better players, or we need to find a manager that does. Pointless signing good players that don't fit into the philosophy the manager insists on. For me we either accommodate players like abdi Rhodes and FF or get rid and bring in people that fit what the manager is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 29 minutes ago, chizumgeorge said: He wouldnt keep the position from bannan, bannan was dropped at leeds last year for abdi and abdi was shocking and got dragged off at half time! Hes just not that good, we all wish he was but he isnt he played well at forest when he had a free role ......he's a neat and tidy player when he's he's played, maybe in his best position he'll be more than that . i'll reserve judgement until he gets a run in his best position . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: Carlos needs to justify paying good the money for a player that was quality at Watford that we played good money for and then never got the best out of. Make or break for a lot of players and Carlos this year. Either find a system that suits our better players, or we need to find a manager that does. Pointless signing good players that don't fit into the philosophy the manager insists on. For me we either accommodate players like abdi Rhodes and FF or get rid and bring in people that fit what the manager is doing. we need a squad of good players and to have that some good players are going to be sat on the bench , who would you rather have coming on the 3 you mentioned or someone like big dave ,matias,or melo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, torryowl said: he played well at forest when he had a free role ......he's a neat and tidy player when he's he's played, maybe in his best position he'll be more than that . i'll reserve judgement until he gets a run in his best position . Agree with this, and i think some of the comments on here are harsh. I remember away at Stoke watching Hoops miss a sitter early on and wondered why Carlos had so much faith in him. He was given some time, got fit and he's now one of the first on the sheet. We've seen enough of Abdi to know there's a class player if allowed to find his feet. Away at Forest I think he showed a sort of control and creativity that no other player has - including Bazza (who I really like). Give him time and he'll be a great asset this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 21 hours ago, Earlsfieldowl said: It will be difficult to be raring to go from the bench or reserves I just cannot see how he fits into CCs plans Agreed, we haven't played anything but 442 or slight variations of that under CC's 2 year spell, unless he makes drastic formation/tactical changes we will never see the best of players like Abdi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizumgeorge Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 3 hours ago, torryowl said: he played well at forest when he had a free role ......he's a neat and tidy player when he's he's played, maybe in his best position he'll be more than that . i'll reserve judgement until he gets a run in his best position . Yes he did, but how poor were forest last season, against a good strong midfield like leeds for instance hes not at the races , and players walk past him. Dont get me wrong i'd love him to come good but i just dont think his work rate is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 8 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: He's good enough to play there in the Premier League, but not for us? I know Watford fans thought he looked a shadow of himself out wide when compared with the centre. Maybe he is good enough and adaptable enough to play out there, but he looked wasted when he was. How much of that was injury and how much that was of him just not having the attributes to thrive there remains to be seen. One thing's for certain, he won't be beating a fullback for pace, getting to the byline and sticking the ball in that's for certain... something that we've been crying out for as an option out wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I Often wonder if we signed Abdi so no-one else did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 He doesn't thrive out wide - and when he played there in the premier it was a more disciplined "hold position"kind of role under Flores. He did a job but his attributes somewhat stifled He is however an awesome attacking CM especially in a 3 - was Watford's best player there in the system - definitely one of the best players i've seen at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger Guns Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 To get the best out of abdi we ought to be playing something like this: Rhodes nando Abdi Boyd Hutch Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I think Abdi creating chances for Rhodes could be very fruitful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanningtonowl Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I think it's all pie on the sky. Who is Carlos going to drop? Bannon, Lee, Hutch?. The only one dropped will be Wallace for Boyd if he does sign. And then only after Xmas when Boyd has learnt to play the Carlos way. Backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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