Summer 2017 non-mega transfer thread

[oldishowl]

Just now, lincolnowl said:

Grant Leadbitter from Boro

 

Whoever we sign is irrelevant if Carlos continues to reserve two midfield places for Bannan and Wallace. 

[Guest wilyfox]

1 minute ago, oldishowl said:

 

Whoever we sign is irrelevant if Carlos continues to reserve two midfield places for Bannan and Wallace. 

 

Scathing.. 

[Hawkeye]

To be honest, I get the impression aside from Hirst - there's no player we want to sell that we'd get any notable fee for.

 

I'd rather we didn't sell any of the 'top' players we have - Lees, forestieri, hooper etc - but we may have to at some point to balance the books. If Tom Lees fee would have paid for Ayala and two others, for example, that might be the better route.

 

Not now though - we can't risk selling anyone at this point.

 

If we start with what we have, I'll be disappointed but still expect us to be top 6.

[S36 OWL]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

 

Mulgrew deal close.

 

Linked with a very random loanee.

 

Expressed interest in Danny batth. 

 

I'd put money on it

 

And still chasing Hutton 

[Beholder]

11 minutes ago, oldishowl said:

 

Whoever we sign is irrelevant if Carlos continues to reserve two midfield places for Bannan and Wallace. 

Yup.

 

 

[shez owl]

Anyone linked yet who can link up play and has pace? I mean we've only needed that type of player for how long??

 

we must be the most pedestrian team in league 

[s6 owl]

Walking out of Wembley we all agreed we needed more pace in the side and then we all agreed the same thing after the Huddersfield game in May so what has changed since then?

[Hawkeye]

46 minutes ago, s6 owl said:

Walking out of Wembley we all agreed we needed more pace in the side and then we all agreed the same thing after the Huddersfield game in May so what has changed since then?

 

We reached 4th without that pace, and with three of our most key players injured.

 

Without Lee and hooper in the side, we don't link defence to attack. Pace isn't the defining issue, it's the centre backs d1ck1ng around with it before hoofing it 50 yards. 

 

Lees and loovens need to give it on to boyd /bannan/Lee ASAP, and let them get it moving.

[s6 owl]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

 

We reached 4th without that pace, and with three of our most key players injured.

 

Without Lee and hooper in the side, we don't link defence to attack. Pace isn't the defining issue, it's the centre backs d1ck1ng around with it before hoofing it 50 yards. 

 

Lees and loovens need to give it on to boyd /bannan/Lee ASAP, and let them get it moving.

It's a cluster of issues whether it be a lack of pace throughout the team or the tedious fannying about in defence there's more to it like the lack of strength in midfield for example how many times do we come out with the ball in the 50/50 challenges/loose balls? We always seem to be second best when it comes to this sort of stuff 

[IstillhateSteveBould]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

 

We reached 4th without that pace, and with three of our most key players injured.

 

Without Lee and hooper in the side, we don't link defence to attack. Pace isn't the defining issue, it's the centre backs d1ck1ng around with it before hoofing it 50 yards. 

 

Lees and loovens need to give it on to boyd /bannan/Lee ASAP, and let them get it moving.

 

They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. 

 

He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly.

 

Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". 

 

 

[mogbad]

4 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

 

They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. 

 

He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly.

 

Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". 

 

 

 

Absolutely spot on

[s6 owl]

2 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

 

They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. 

 

He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly.

 

Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". 

 

 

Bannan is the most overrated player in our squad IMO he's weak in the tackle, poor execution for the most part, plays him self in to trouble to much and garbage when it comes to shooting. I don't see what he can do which Abdi can't

[pazowl55]

5 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

 

They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. 

 

He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly.

 

Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". 

 

 

I would be tempted to put Bannan in a more advanced role almost top of a diamond midfield four role. Some of his best work came from him interchanging quick passes high up the pitch. Would be good threading them balls through for the strikers.

   However he can't shoot for toffee so can't rely on him for many goals from there.

[gurujuan]

Put Bannan wide left, that's his best position

[Groundhopping Owl]

2 hours ago, marcx666 said:

Bolton already told Millwall to f*ck off, and Yiadlim turned down a new contract to force a move. Nice to see Alan keeping up 

Neither of those two are surprising either. Bolton can't afford to let Beevers go and especially not to one of the few teams they have a chance of finishing above this season. Barnsley aren't gonna be able to offer Yiadom anywhere near the sort of money required to stop him demanding a move to the Prem, I read on their forum last summer that Hammill was their top earner on about 8k a week.

[IstillhateSteveBould]

17 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

I would be tempted to put Bannan in a more advanced role almost top of a diamond midfield four role. Some of his best work came from him interchanging quick passes high up the pitch. Would be good threading them balls through for the strikers.

   However he can't shoot for toffee so can't rely on him for many goals from there.

 

16 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Put Bannan wide left, that's his best position

 

I don't get why people object so much to Bannan playing on the left. He can ghost inside and get on the ball in better areas higher up the pitch. Which, as you say, is where he does his best work. 

 

Carlos doesn't use his wide players as conventional wingers anyway, so it suits Bannan. Keeps him from being the focal point of the team and allows better central midfielders, who understand their roles more, to give us some sort of presence in central areas.

 

We played much more attractive football in Carlos' first season when Bannan was regularly used this way. Hutch, Lopez and Lee were far more reliable all round in the engine room.

[Hawkeye]

44 minutes ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

 

They always do give it to Bannan. It's easy, he's usually stood 5 yards away. Then he twists, turns and either gives it them back or tries a 50 yard diagonal. 

 

He should be the one 15/20 yards further forward, making an angle, then collecting it on the half turn ready to drive forward or move it on quickly.

 

Never does it anymore. He'd rather come short for the easy ball. Then you get some of our fans saying silly things like "he ran the game" or "everything went through Bannan". 

 

 

 

Disagree there mate. I would say it's more often the Lees to loovens to pudil back to loovens HOOOOOOOF. Bannan and hutch drop back because neither Lees or loovens will take it forward. Which usually leaves us outnumbered in midfield. 

 

Hooper and winnall are the only attackers that offer movement, it wouldn't make any odds where Bannan got it. Without players running channels, he's not going to create anything.

 

We are far too guilty of not moving the ball from back to front quick enough. And it stems from the back.

[IstillhateSteveBould]

23 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

 

Disagree there mate. I would say it's more often the Lees to loovens to pudil back to loovens HOOOOOOOF. Bannan and hutch drop back because neither Lees or loovens will take it forward. Which usually leaves us outnumbered in midfield. 

 

Hooper and winnall are the only attackers that offer movement, it wouldn't make any odds where Bannan got it. Without players running channels, he's not going to create anything.

 

We are far too guilty of not moving the ball from back to front quick enough. And it stems from the back.

 

There aren't many CBs that stride forward with the ball and start picking passes. You can't expect Lees and Loovens to do that. 

 

The problem is them not having forward options other than the short pass to Bannan or Jones (or Hutch) or the wide pass to Hunt or Pudil, who are usually being closed down. 

 

It's ok for our deep lying midfielder to come and collect the ball, but his partner needs to offer a forward passing option, and when it's Bannan, it doesn't happen often enough. He likes the easy option unfortunately.

 

That huge gap in midfield is a problem that arises when both our midfielders are too deep, rather than lack of movement from our forwards. Not saying we see great movement from our forwards because we often don't, and that's another problem. But in this case Bannan is the main culprit. Lee and Abdi are much better at filling that gap imo. 

 

 

 

[pazowl55]

1 minute ago, IstillhateSteveBould said:

 

There aren't many CBs that stride forward with the ball and start picking passes. You can't expect Lees and Loovens to do that. 

 

The problem is them not having forward options other than the short pass to Bannan or Jones (or Hutch) or the wide pass to Hunt or Pudil, who are usually being closed down. 

 

It's ok for our deep lying midfielder to come and collect the ball, but his partner needs to offer a forward passing option, and when it's Bannan, it doesn't happen often enough. He likes the easy option unfortunately.

 

That huge gap in midfield is a problem that arises when both our midfielders are too deep, rather than lack of movement from our forwards. Not saying we see great movement from our forwards because we often don't, and that's another problem. But in this case Bannan is the main culprit. Lee and Abdi are much better at filling that gap imo. 

 

 

 

Bannan can't play with a Jones or a Hutchinson as they all drop to deep. Bannan and Lee are best at the moment. Be interesting to see Bannan paired with Abdi if Lee is unfit. 

[IstillhateSteveBould]

2 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

Bannan can't play with a Jones or a Hutchinson as they all drop to deep. Bannan and Lee are best at the moment. Be interesting to see Bannan paired with Abdi if Lee is unfit. 

 

Exactly. If we want to play with 2 deep, why not just go with 1 up top and drop someone into an advanced midfield role?  A 4231 rather than leaving 2 forwards high up.