Official: McGugan is off...

[thekimmyowl]

Great talent but hasn't stepped up to prove to CC that he should play more, had a golden chance to make CC sit up and take notice prior to the play offs. at Wolves, he was the worst player on the pitch .

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

16 minutes ago, Ronio said:

Bad move from the club imo.  

 

McGugan, is quite possibly one of the most gifted technical players we have at the club.

 

In the playoff final against Hull, all our set pieces, free kicks and corners were not up to the required standard.  Watch the game back and see how many misplaced crosses went into the box.  

 

A player of McGugan's quality with frighteningly pin point accuracy with either foot, surely has as much value to the squad as a player with a high work rate.  A player who can change the whole dynamics of a game with just one kick.   

 

Good luck Lewis.

 

I know what you're saying, but he doesn't offer enough else to justify his inclusion. The way we play relies on the whole team working together - if we have one player who doesn't fit the system, then the system doesn't work. If Carlos has decided to move him on, then I can only assume it's because he doesn't think he's ever going to see the requisite dynamism from McGugan, and I can't say I disagree.

 

The Forest fans I know all said the same thing to me when we first signed McGugan on loan: 'lazy'. That may be a bit harsh, but he certainly doesn't seem to suit the brand of football Carlos plays, so we may as well replace him with someone who does.

[Ronio]

I know many will see him as a bit lazy, he certainly isn't lazy with his passing or shooting by any means.

 

I get the system, doesn't suit someone like McGugan.  But going back to the playoff final, we brought on 2 players in Nuhiu and Helan, both tireless workers, but ultimately had little effect on the end result.  The gulf in quality was all too evident.  Someone like McGugan could have bridged that gap and made a difference imo.  

 

I for one, will miss McGugan.  I could watch him pinging that ball around the pitch all day long.  Some of his passing is on another level for sure. 

 

Gutted he's leaving.  

[The Batman]

8 minutes ago, Ronio said:

I know many will see him as a bit lazy, he certainly isn't lazy with his passing or shooting by any means.

 

I get the system, doesn't suit someone like McGugan.  But going back to the playoff final, we brought on 2 players in Nuhiu and Helan, both tireless workers, but ultimately had little effect on the end result.  The gulf in quality was all too evident.  Someone like McGugan could have bridged that gap and made a difference imo.  

 

I for one, will miss McGugan.  I could watch him pinging that ball around the pitch all day long.  Some of his passing is on another level for sure. 

 

Gutted he's leaving.  

I'm the same to an extent and I bet a lot of people are deep down.

 

It's only our respect and trust in CC that trumps that disappointment really.

[vulva]

Very good player who has been poorly managed. You can't tell me, that at times last season, he couldn't have done a job, at various times. CC's stubbornness has had an impact on whether we pick him or not. Those not rating him probably form a large percentage of the 5000 who have started attending since McGugan wasn't picked, and we started beating the likes of Arsenal. 

[TrueOwl]

Not particularly quick but neither is Wallace... could he have been a decent option at RM/RW as he is arguably our best crosser and can beat a man?

Edited July 25, 2016 by TrueOwl

[Costello 77]

1 hour ago, Ronio said:

Bad move from the club imo.  

 

McGugan, is quite possibly one of the most gifted technical players we have at the club.

 

In the playoff final against Hull, all our set pieces, free kicks and corners were not up to the required standard.  Watch the game back and see how many misplaced crosses went into the box.  

 

A player of McGugan's quality with frighteningly pin point accuracy with either foot, surely has as much value to the squad as a player with a high work rate.  A player who can change the whole dynamics of a game with just one kick.   

 

Good luck Lewis.

He wasn't in the play off final though. Or any other important games. He hasn't been in any other important games that I know of. 

[IstillhateSteveBould]

24 minutes ago, Ronio said:

I know many will see him as a bit lazy, he certainly isn't lazy with his passing or shooting by any means.

 

I get the system, doesn't suit someone like McGugan.  But going back to the playoff final, we brought on 2 players in Nuhiu and Helan, both tireless workers, but ultimately had little effect on the end result.  The gulf in quality was all too evident.  Someone like McGugan could have bridged that gap and made a difference imo.  

 

I for one, will miss McGugan.  I could watch him pinging that ball around the pitch all day long.  Some of his passing is on another level for sure. 

 

Gutted he's leaving.  

 

Agree with pretty much everything you've said in your last 2 posts. Really talented lad who could have been worth a good few points over the season if he'd been used more. Real shame he's going.

 

You mention the play off final, our opponents that day have had Tom Huddlestone strolling around midfield all season. Not a player known for his workrate and intensity, certainly not a Carlos type player, but still plays a massive role for Hull.

[Ronio]

2 minutes ago, Costello 77 said:

He wasn't in the play off final though. Or any other important games. He hasn't been in any other important games that I know of. 

I know he wasn't in the final, just making an observation that we lacked the necessary quality in that game, McGugan could have bridged that gap.

 

Newcastle in the Cup was an important game as the goal he scored in that ensured a very lucrative home tie against arsenal.  

[Inspector Lestrade]

12 minutes ago, vulva said:

Very good player who has been poorly managed. You can't tell me, that at times last season, he couldn't have done a job, at various times. CC's stubbornness has had an impact on whether we pick him or not. Those not rating him probably form a large percentage of the 5000 who have started attending since McGugan wasn't picked, and we started beating the likes of Arsenal. 

 

 

 

How do you know he has been poorly managed?  He might have been brilliantly managed but is not prepared to do what's being asked of him and that he's the stubborn one and not CC.

 

If that's the case then there is only one winner.

[Philb125]

Granted I don't have any coaching badges nor do I profess to be a budding tactician but surely the high tempo pressing game only works if everyone does it. 

 

If if one member doesn't and three do surely that leaves you at risk of being heavily exposed. Him not fitting our plan in that case not only renders his spot worthless but the four or five around him too. 

 

Whikst i I agree his set play ability is above our quality, the answer isn't to fit him in, but to find a player who plays our way and can strike a dead ball too. I'm sure they are out there! 

[torryowl]

5 hours ago, Holmowl said:

 

Likely midfield is full of goals. This is what they scored last season:-

 

Wallace 6

Lee 7

Bannan 3

FF 6 (from 9 matches in midfield)

 

Dont imagine many teams had such high scoring midfields.

 

 

5 hours ago, victorturner said:

What is worrying is that CC does not see that our midfield does not score enough goals while Lewis could do so. Our style's weakness was revealed in our matches vs top teams last season; we play our best football on the halfway line but it fades as we move forward with FF rescuing us from drought of goals. Even Huddersfield away last season when we were at our peak form, it was true. A brilliant goal from FF won the match which otherwise would have been a midfield stalemate 0-0. Tikka takka seems to be CC's preference but even Spain began to look toothless after a while playing that way.

funny how we all see things differently .............................................................

[vulva]

6 minutes ago, Holmes said:

 

 

How do you know he has been poorly managed?  He might have been brilliantly managed but is not prepared to do what's being asked of him and that he's the stubborn one and not CC.

 

If that's the case then there is only one winner.

Management is about getting the best out of a player. Considering the talent the lad obviously has, and amount he has cost us, I would argue he has been poorly managed. He might be the biggest wazurk in the dressing room, but if he can make a difference, you deal with it. 

 

 

 

[torryowl]

4 minutes ago, vulva said:

Management is about getting the best out of a player. Considering the talent the lad obviously has, and amount he has cost us, I would argue he has been poorly managed. He might be the biggest wazurk in the dressing room, but if he can make a difference, you deal with it. 

 

 

 

its a team game and if any player cant play to the plan then you can understand why he doesnt get picked to often ......that doesnt mean he's been poorly managed infact i think its the opposite why would you pick someone and expect him to perform when he cant play to the system ...it wouldnt be fair to the player unless you think we should have changed the system to accommodate him

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

33 minutes ago, Ronio said:

I know many will see him as a bit lazy, he certainly isn't lazy with his passing or shooting by any means.

 

I get the system, doesn't suit someone like McGugan.  But going back to the playoff final, we brought on 2 players in Nuhiu and Helan, both tireless workers, but ultimately had little effect on the end result.  The gulf in quality was all too evident.  Someone like McGugan could have bridged that gap and made a difference imo.  

 

I for one, will miss McGugan.  I could watch him pinging that ball around the pitch all day long.  Some of his passing is on another level for sure. 

 

Gutted he's leaving.  

 

McGugan, for all his ability, simply doesn't close down or track back as much as he needs to for a central midfielder in the system we're playing. I dread to think how much more damage Hull's midfield would have done if we'd sacrificed Hutch or Lee for McGugan!

 

I've mentioned this on here before, but the game that summed up the conundrum that is McGugan for me was the Preston match: he was brought on in central midfield with about 20 minutes to play, shifting Lee out to the flank to accommodate him. After a few dangerous attacks where Preston just ran past McGugan as if he wasn't there, Carlos made another switch to put Lee (who had 70 minutes more running in his legs at this point don't forget) back in to shore up the middle of the park, and shifted McGugan out to the flank...from where he proceeded to lob the keeper from the halfway line!

 

He's capable of moments of magic, but his laid-back style risks undermining all the hard work of his teammates at times. I reckon Carlos prefers more consistent performers in the centre of the park.

[Ronio]

8 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

McGugan, for all his ability, simply doesn't close down or track back as much as he needs to for a central midfielder in the system we're playing. I dread to think how much more damage Hull's midfield would have done if we'd sacrificed Hutch or Lee for McGugan!

 

I've mentioned this on here before, but the game that summed up the conundrum that is McGugan for me was the Preston match: he was brought on in central midfield with about 20 minutes to play, shifting Lee out to the flank to accommodate him. After a few dangerous attacks where Preston just ran past McGugan as if he wasn't there, Carlos made another switch to put Lee (who had 70 minutes more running in his legs at this point don't forget) back in to shore up the middle of the park, and shifted McGugan out to the flank...from where he proceeded to lob the keeper from the halfway line!

 

He's capable of moments of magic, but his laid-back style risks undermining all the hard work of his teammates at times. I reckon Carlos prefers more consistent performers in the centre of the park.

I see where you are coming from, just think for those moments of magic, he's worth keeping.  It's not like we have an abundance of dead ball specialists in the team currently.  

 

On his day, he is unplayable, shame really that we have let a player of that talent leave. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

Just now, Ronio said:

I see where you are coming from, just think for those moments of magic, he's worth keeping.  It's not like we have an abundance of dead ball specialists in the team currently.  

 

On his day, he is unplayable, shame really that we have let a player of that talent leave. 

 

If the rumours of us being in for Abdi are to be believed, we may not need to worry about that! 

[Ronio]

1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

If the rumours of us being in for Abdi are to be believed, we may not need to worry about that! 

Lets hope that's the case, for all our sakes. 

[Westfield Owl]

Allowing McGugan to move to a Championship club for no transfer fee, or a small transfer fee would be a really stupid decision for Wednesday to make IMO because:

 

1) He's a talented midfielder with a very decent goals-to-games record.  He would improve the midfield of the majority of Championship clubs.  He's an asset we haven't been able to use to his full potential, other teams most likely could get a 15 goal-a season midfielder in the prime of his career.

 

2) He's still got another 2 years left on his contract.  We hold all the cards here.

 

If McGugan only has offers from Championship clubs, I'd loan him out, that would be a more sensible option for SWFC.  It gets the player in the shop window (bumps his transfer fee up), gets him off the wage bill, McGugan will be happy to be playing more regularly and he won't be able to play against us.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Slick.

[Whitechapel Owl]

McGugan strikes me as the type of player that would benefit from being the star player at his club like he was at Forest for a spell. He has criticised former clubs on more than one occasion after he's left mainly because he couldn't get in the side, he's probably not the best player to have around if he's not regularly playing. He's good enough for the Championship but he might be better off in a high spending League 1 team if any of them could afford his wages.