richowl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You shouldn't slag off fish cake he was a tactical master on the day he lead the Jelly tots to a 4-2 victory over the jelly babies. he's just taken the san marino under 7's B team job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britpunk77 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The Saints 'Cloning Programme' has proved most effective, maybe we should start cloning our players. Who would be your first Wednesday Clone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Good article but far too dismissive of people with concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Good article but far too dismissive of people with concerns. nowt we can do about it, so no point worrying is my new line of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Sure the OP has morphed since this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 nowt we can do about it, so no point worrying is my new line of view True, but some people are being a tad sycophantic about a system we know little about. I'm not against a modern structure but our interpretation of how a modern structure works is unclear. I've never had Sunday dinner in Spain either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanzaroteowl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Let's give it a whirl What's the worst that could happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Sorry, achieved what exactly? We haven't achieved anything In the last 15 to 20 years we've had 3 decent season's All while using the same formula Time for a change don't you think? Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So Carvahal as part of the committe as a general manager, bit like Les Reid at Southmapton, Roeder head of recruitment and Cooper as head coach. Simples! Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frastheowl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 What a bloody brilliant article. Every Wednesdayite should read it, and all the moaning will stop. Everything that's happening, makes total sense. The club is moving into the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ranmoor owl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Remember the scene in indiana jones and the last crusade when he makes the leap of faith across the invisible bridge? well, thats where we as wednesdayites right now, and only time will tell whether we fall to our death or find the 'enlightened path' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 What a bloody brilliant article. Every Wednesdayite should read it, and all the moaning will stop. Everything that's happening, makes total sense. The club is moving into the present. What is actually happening then? How does it work in practice? Everyone's just making their own assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 People keep going on about the 'system' and comparing us to clubs that have done really well (Southampton) like it is a given it will work for us. People say things like 'well the last 15 years have men shocking so it can't be any worse' but everyone knows that in the last 15 years the club has, at best, been run on a shoestring and, it could be argued, run into the ground. Do people realise that two businesses with the exact same business / operating model can have very different success rates. It it absolutely vital, regardless of the model you use, that you have the best people in the management roles and there is nothing, in my opinion at least, to suggest we are doing that. I, along with a few other it seems, have concerns and the spin people seem to be putting on things at the moment won't change that. How very dare you come and here and talk sense. It's not the done thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worksop Wednesday Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Carlos has apparently already agreed personal terms yet his role is still unclear whether head coach or general manager? Surely if you agree terms you know what your role will be ? I think now that he does and it will be general manager Portugal ? - we have tenuous links other than semedo and melo, have we not been there pre season once or twice - maybe roeder has identified it as a recruitment patch and suggested an experienced Portugese manager/ coach might be useful but doubt Jose would come - Paolo Sousa maybe ? Cooper is an uninspiring choice but how many of us wanted Gray as manager 18 months ago? We got to like him but he wasnt greatly inspiring and last years offering at home was the poorest for a very long time Maybe there is some logic ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Take a look at @jaskham's Tweet: https://twitter.com/jaskham/status/612321715843112961?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southie_Owl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Take a look at @jaskham's Tweet: https://twitter.com/jaskham/status/612321715843112961?s=09 I read that in the paper today, they do a Whats Hot and What's Not list every weekend and Wednesday are what's not hot... Great that outsiders are feeling as optimistic as we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djstatic Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Take a look at @jaskham's Tweet: https://twitter.com/jaskham/status/612321715843112961?s=09 Could be the reason why we still haven't heard anything. Can see him having to sign a new contract with a different job spec. What a bloody mess! If the blades were in this situation, we'd be laughing our heads off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Good read, that. I've avoided posting much about any of this, but have been reading the threads on here, Facebook posts, Twitter etc. The overriding sense I get is the realisation by just how neglected and forgotten Sheffield Wednesday Football Club has been. The game has changed immeasurably since we had any sort of voice in it, and we've been left behind the curve. Our increasingly "modern" looking approach to the running of our club might not work, but as fans we've been left woefully unprepared to accept that it might succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Bottom line is this Recruitment Get the right staff and players then any supposed system will work If recruitment is wrong then it will fail It's not about emulating Saints et al - and the laughable comments about how this supposed committe system works at City and Chelsea... It's about how our new structure manifests and we simply don't yet have a clue Are we gonna have somebody genuinely overseeing the whole of the football side of the club - or will there be no tangible differences in the academy and development squad for eg? And if there are overarching changes through the club it could still take many years to bear fruit The focus always has to be on the first team and that needs to be the area for the most extensive and acute surgery I suppose it's natural that fans are getting edgy - nothing so far speaks of the hoped-for revolution hinted at at the time of the takeover We really can't even speculate currently because of the dearth of activity - time will tell and we've no choice but to judge the owner on his actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 People keep going on about the 'system' and comparing us to clubs that have done really well (Southampton) like it is a given it will work for us. People say things like 'well the last 15 years have men shocking so it can't be any worse' but everyone knows that in the last 15 years the club has, at best, been run on a shoestring and, it could be argued, run into the ground. Do people realise that two businesses with the exact same business / operating model can have very different success rates. It it absolutely vital, regardless of the model you use, that you have the best people in the management roles and there is nothing, in my opinion at least, to suggest we are doing that. I, along with a few other it seems, have concerns and the spin people seem to be putting on things at the moment won't change that. ExactamondoReal end of thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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