Bluesteel Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst home form for 40 years..... Equal to a clean sheets record and probably one of our best seasons away too. Home form needs to improve tenfold but give the guy some credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 That and a manager who has a clue and i'll be ecstatic. Has SG had relations with your wife? Leave him alone it's getting embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shakesby Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Equal to a clean sheets record and probably one of our best seasons away too. Home form needs to improve tenfold but give the guy some credit Thank Westwood for that, not Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 But most would be happy with six or seven quality players, surely? I'd say so. I'd be over the moon, i'd also be more than happy to let Gray manage them. With Wickham and Fryatt up front Gray proved he can allow attacking players freedom to express themselves. People are forgetting that though because we have poor strikers currently on our books which May aside have been largely bought on the cheap. Equal to a clean sheets record and probably one of our best seasons away too. Home form needs to improve tenfold but give the guy some credit This Thank Westwood for that, not Gray. Not this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Thank Westwood for that, not Gray. Who signed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Don't understand how you can use a player that Gray signed as a reason to not want him as manager.. There are plenty of reasons but that isn't one.. Edited May 1, 2015 by EcclesallOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shakesby Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Who signed him? Gray signed him. And full credit to him for that. But the point remains - our defence hasn't been anywhere near as solid as people have made out. Without Loovens we've positively been leaking goals. Start of the season our entire setup was to not concede goals and limit opposition chances, and guess what? Teams still created golden opportunities that were only denied by Westwoods brilliance. Don't get me wrong. I like Palmer, I think Lees is a good player, Loovens is bloody magnificent and Mattock also half decent. But lets not exaggerate here - we've not been half as good as people have made out defensively. And that has also come at the cost of us creating next to nothing up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Who wants to pay £30 on the day to watch some of the dross that's been dished up this season ? Not me for one. I haven't got a season ticket, but watch the majority of home games. I will not watch any if Gray is in charge - unless there is a miracle and we play winning, entertaining football which I doubt will happen. I know a few others have a similar opinion to me so the smart move would be to start the clear out with Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Some fans on here doubt Gray's ability to get us to the Prem inside two seasons. It's not unreasonable to suggest the man at the top could share such thoughts if this is what fans, who have followed Wednesday all season, also think. If that were true, he'd wish to check who else may be able to deliver against the requirement to get the club promoted in 2 seasons. If that were also true, with limited football knowledge himself, Mr C would probably need to seek advice from those more experienced in football matters than himself. So, who could he consult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shakesby Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Some fans on here doubt Gray's ability to get us to the Prem inside two seasons. It's not unreasonable to suggest the man at the top could share such thoughts if this is what fans, who have followed Wednesday all season, also think. If that were true, he'd wish to check who else may be able to deliver against the requirement to get the club promoted in 2 seasons. If that were also true, with limited football knowledge himself, Mr C would probably need to seek advice from those more experienced in football matters than himself. So, who could he consult? Mandaric, Pearson and Roeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Gray signed him. And full credit to him for that. But the point remains - our defence hasn't been anywhere near as solid as people have made out. Without Loovens we've positively been leaking goals. Start of the season our entire setup was to not concede goals and limit opposition chances, and guess what? Teams still created golden opportunities that were only denied by Westwoods brilliance. Don't get me wrong. I like Palmer, I think Lees is a good player, Loovens is bloody magnificent and Mattock also half decent. But lets not exaggerate here - we've not been half as good as people have made out defensively. And that has also come at the cost of us creating next to nothing up front. Ignore what people say about our defensive record. Look at the facts... Whoaa! Most clean sheets in 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Some fans on here doubt Gray's ability to get us to the Prem inside two seasons. It's not unreasonable to suggest the man at the top could share such thoughts if this is what fans, who have followed Wednesday all season, also think. If that were true, he'd wish to check who else may be able to deliver against the requirement to get the club promoted in 2 seasons. If that were also true, with limited football knowledge himself, Mr C would probably need to seek advice from those more experienced in football matters than himself. So, who could he consult? He can ring me anytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Not sure if this is a good thing. Gray will have favorites and might want to keep them out of sentiment and loyalty. But are they really good enough? Apart from Lee and the injury prone Loovens, I don't know if they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopswfc76 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I honestly cant see how anybody with even just half a brain can say Gray hasnt done a good job, Somebody pasted his stats and seems hes won as many as lost with 1 of the lowest budgets in the Championship. Thats a cracking job that deserves respect and a chance with one of the biggest budgets in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Who signed him? He also signed May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcclesallOwl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I honestly cant see how anybody with even just half a brain can say Gray hasnt done a good job, Somebody pasted his stats and seems hes won as many as lost with 1 of the lowest budgets in the Championship. Thats a cracking job that deserves respect and a chance with one of the biggest budgets in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shakesby Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Ignore what people say about our defensive record. Look at the facts... Whoaa! Most clean sheets in 40 years. And what do you put that down to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 And what do you put that down to? Westwood's brilliance and dour football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 There could be magic, and moonlight, and love, and romance. Let's face the music, and dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) The facts. He retired from playing at the age of 34, he is 55 and managed Northampton up till being appointed wednesday manager,hardly in demand for his managerial prowess. His managerial record consists of so so job at Northampton. He has never won so much as a Christmas hamper let alone promotion. He was the short term answer till Milan though he could save a few quid. The opinion He will not take this club to promotion. To stick by him would be a waste of time and money. First fact has no relevance to the discussion Second fact is wrong - he has more experience than that. Third fact applies to lots of managers Fourth fact is actually an opinion - although I do agree with your opinion that he was "the cheap option", the implication that he is rubbish because he was the cheap option is flawed IMHO Edited May 1, 2015 by shandypants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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