gurujuan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 All very true, and I hope we bring in at least two strikers proven at this level, but I would be surprised if at least one of Lavery/May/Bus don't kick on next season with the expected improvements in the team. Yes probably My initial response was in answer to whether or not we could bring Keane back. To my mind, we need a leader of the line (loathed to use the target man tag) and someone with pace to get in behind. As Keane is really , none of those, bringing him in as well would leave us needing to shift a few out. Who though? Take your pick, none has done enough to stake a claim for a starting booth next season. If I was pushed on which two to keep, then probably Lavery and Bus, but only because I haven't seen enough to know that they won't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWP Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Here's some quick interpretations “It will be my decision,†I'm the manager it's all down to me. “I will have a big say in it.†Oh balls I'm only a head coach not a manager... still the chairman will want my opinion. “hopefully we can get a plan together. " Oh crap, how on earth have I forgotten about this board thing? and how on earth haven't we spoken to each other yet? I hope I'm not getting sacked. Edited May 1, 2015 by POWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I will be amazed if Gray is still in a position to choose this time next week. ...Based upon..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deleted member Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just a feeling I get based on what I perceive this Chairmans attitude is He's not one for messing about, he wants us to move on and fast... If hes watched enough home games this season (2 is enough) he won't want us to play football like we have been I would imagine Pearson and Roeder won't be desperate to retain him either - and that might be why they've not even met him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yes probably My initial response was in answer to whether or not we could bring Keane back. To my mind, we need a leader of the line (loathed to use the target man tag) and someone with pace to get in behind. As Keane is really , none of those, bringing him in as well would leave us needing to shift a few out. Who though? Take your pick, none has done enough to stake a claim for a starting booth next season. If I was pushed on which two to keep, then probably Lavery and Bus, but only because I haven't seen enough to know that they won't make it. I've not seen Keane play yet, but made the assumption he is very similar to what we already have - in terms of quality and age. Would he be an upgrade on May/Lavery/Bus or would be just be adding 'another one to the collection'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just a feeling I get based on what I perceive this Chairmans attitude is He's not one for messing about, he wants us to move on and fast... If hes watched enough home games this season (2 is enough) he won't want us to play football like we have been I would imagine Pearson and Roeder won't be desperate to retain him either - and that might be why they've not even met him yet. Lots of guessing and intuition there Nigel. I'd have thought that a successful business person such as you normally deals in something more fact based. Did Gray sell you some dodgy sunbed tubes or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I've not seen Keane play yet, but made the assumption he is very similar to what we already have - in terms of quality and age. Would he be an upgrade on May/Lavery/Bus or would be just be adding 'another one to the collection'? Nearest of our strikers, in my opinion is Gary Madine, but technically much better. He's the similar to May, Lavery and Bus in terms of age, and the fact he's unproven at this level. May is the enigma as far as I'm concerned. You get the feeling that he could score goals IF he was paired with the right person. He can't play the lone striker role, and he isn't strong or particularly quick, so if we could find someone who can compensate for those shortcomings to play alongside, then maybe. Lavery does have a bit of everything, but is still a long way off what is needed to be a regular at this level. 4th or 5th choice, I reckon. Bus, I know sod all about, have barely seen him and don't know what level he's achieved at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Lots of guessing and intuition there Nigel. I'd have thought that a successful business person such as you normally deals in something more fact based. Did Gray sell you some dodgy sunbed tubes or something? If your dealing in facts then he is well and truly up poo poo creek without a paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If your dealing in facts then he is well and truly up poo poo creek without a paddle. Why? Please elaborate. I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest _Ibbo_ Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst home form for 40 years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Lots of guessing and intuition there Nigel. I'd have thought that a successful business person such as you normally deals in something more fact based. Did Gray sell you some dodgy sunbed tubes or something? Sorry Grandad. Below the belt that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst home form for 40 years..... Worst Hillsborough pitch for 40 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst Hillsborough pitch for 40 years?Really that's an excuse ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Why? Please elaborate. I'm all ears.We know Mr Chansiri started attending matches from December time,in that time we have won 3 matches at home and played awful,so from a financial point of view he has spent 10-12 million per home win. Do you not think this will not have gone unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst Hillsborough pitch for 40 years? Poor excuse,granted it's got worse as the season has gone but we were poo at the start of the season to,I know it's easy to forget because we have been that poor at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 We know Mr Chansiri started attending matches from December time,in that time we have won 3 matches at home and played awful,so from a financial point of view he has spent 10-12 million per home win. Do you not think this will not have gone unnoticed. Whilst I don't doubt that Gray will continue as part of the new triumvirate, and I'm glad about that, you can't argue that this statistic, at least puts a question mark against his future. Since December, things have been very poor indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Worst home form for 40 years..... I think that Gray could successfully argue that there were legitimate reasons for the poor home form (i.e. the pitch). It would be hard to argue against that. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to watch another season of tripe but I believe the state of the pitch is justification enough to give Gray the benefit of the doubt. If Gray is provided with the resources and after, say, 20 games we haven't improved then start to consider whether a replacement is needed, otherwise, stick with him. The only reason for getting rid of Gray without giving him a chance is if some unbelievably talented manager becomes available. Given that Klopp isn't beating down our door, we should stick with Gray IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Lets hope he does'nt retain the likes of Coke etc. To try and indicate to anyone that its his decision alone who is retained is bulllshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I think that Gray could successfully argue that there were legitimate reasons for the poor home form (i.e. the pitch). It would be hard to argue against that. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to watch another season of tripe but I believe the state of the pitch is justification enough to give Gray the benefit of the doubt. If Gray is provided with the resources and after, say, 20 games we haven't improved then start to consider whether a replacement is needed, otherwise, stick with him. The only reason for getting rid of Gray without giving him a chance is if some unbelievably talented manager becomes available. Given that Klopp isn't beating down our door, we should stick with Gray IMO. Can't accept the pitch argument, as home form has been poor throughout. There are reason for that though, which I accept, but not sure that the pitch is to blame Can't accept the pitch argument, as home form has been poor throughout. There are reasons for that though, which I accept, but not sure that the pitch is to blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 This is going to be yet another case of giving the manager money to spend Then we still keep struggling to get the wins Manager gets sacked New manager needs time to sort his own team out We end up lower mid table Start again building for next season with new manager saying "judge me after a full season in charge" I personally want Gray out now instead of messing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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