The Dukeries Owl Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 We'd still be at Sheffield 6. Players come and go, we've been around for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 He was pathetic in his last year for us when he was fit. No end product at all and looked dis interested. Remember his last game he stood in front of the north stand for the entire second half and didn't want the ball we just played with 10 men. We were a better side without him, and to be honest still think we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCOWL Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Magaluf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I... don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 A very simplistic way to look at it: With Antonio we were in a relegation battle for the previous 2 seasons Without him we finished midtable very comfortably You're right, that is simplistic and a little bit simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HirstWhoScoredIt Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The real question everybody should be asking is how on earth did we manage to have our pants totally pulled down? I for one was a big Antonio fan and I have many an argument on here with people that didn't rate him. The one thing that everybody surely agrees on, is why on earth did we sell him so cheap??????? Antonio had proven himself to be a top League One player and he had produced good goal and assists returns for two seasons in The Championship. He was a good age with clear potential to improve a lot more. Yet we sell him for far less money than Peterborough get for umpteen unproven League One players. I said at the time he was worth at least £3m and I suspect a PL club will now offer Forest £5m-£7m in the Summer. Regardless of your opinion on Antonio, this was a terrible bit of business by Wednesday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 hopefully we have a sell on clause. Im sure PA is savvy enough to have ensured this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 lets see what he does next season for forest. As others have said he was mega first season for us then his form dipped. I'm sure he would've been expecting to be playing in the Premiership next season the play off's this at the very least. He will be doing neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Sorry George but for once I have to disagree with you here. Antonio didn't fit into our structure or the way that Gray has played all season with a tight and hard working team. There's no way we would have got all those goals and assists that he's given for Forest had he been playing for us because he'd sort of given up here. I'll hazard a guess we'd have conceded more too because of his lazy tracking back. No worries. I just meant to pose the question really. Admitedly I did make it a leading one by including the goals/assists; but that's what I was interested in really... Would we have more goals and points with Antonio than May? If the money from Antonio did fund Westwood and Lees though, it's a no brainer - we're miles better off without him. You can't really compare like that I mean who would have scored his 12 assists. Attey, obviously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B_SWFC Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Just because Antonio got 15 goals and 12 assists for Forest doesn't mean he would have for us. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 As Stevie May has proven. Why can't we sign a player that can score and/or create as many for us as they do for everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Just because Antonio got 15 goals and 12 assists for Forest doesn't mean he would have for us. End of story. This He's playing with a "better" standard of players at Forest than he would have been here unfortunately Forest didn't have a "better" manager at the start of the season than us I still love you though George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The real question everybody should be asking is how on earth did we manage to have our pants totally pulled down? I for one was a big Antonio fan and I have many an argument on here with people that didn't rate him. The one thing that everybody surely agrees on, is why on earth did we sell him so cheap??????? Antonio had proven himself to be a top League One player and he had produced good goal and assists returns for two seasons in The Championship. He was a good age with clear potential to improve a lot more. Yet we sell him for far less money than Peterborough get for umpteen unproven League One players. I said at the time he was worth at least £3m and I suspect a PL club will now offer Forest £5m-£7m in the Summer. Regardless of your opinion on Antonio, this was a terrible bit of business by Wednesday! problem is if people didnt rate him and i know someone who hated him, they would disagree personally i have said several times at the time, not in hindsight, it was a weird really cheap sale he was our only cutting edge and imo worth more than double I work in Nottingham part of the week and the bill boards there today say dougie pledges to keep antonio by setting a team up around him http://www.nottinghampost.com/Dougie-Freedman-makes-pledge-Nottingham-Forest/story-26357015-detail/story.html - plus he is in demand and we sold him for blasted peanuts spilt milk now, so we move on but ironically we are looking for another antonio and i bet we pay more than 1.5mm for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tha_knows Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 To think Gray rates Maghoma above Antonio is seriously worrying. If it's based on work effort and offering the full back support the fair enough Antonio was average but Maghoma is absolutely awful. Atleast Antonio chipped in some vital goals and provided way more assists than that lazy swine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think we all know deep down that his heart was not with Sheffield Wednesday anymore. Which is a shame as I thought he came to really love it here in the promotion season and the season after. Yes its easy to look back now and say we shouldn't have sold him but when a player wants to move 9/10 he will move that's football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JackSWFCwarbs Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Never liked Antonio while in championship I can only remember one good game when we beat reading 5-2 much better without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 He always gave 100%. Best player we have had for years, just a shame we couldn't keep him. Anyone who saw him in that game against Charlton when he got substituted before half time for directly assisting their fight back from 0-2 knows differently. He was appalling that day and clearly giving nothing like 100%. And whilst he was dynamic (if unpredictable and inconsistent) going forward he rarely put in a shift defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richowl Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Maghoma is a much sh!tter version of him. the fact is our side lacks pace,strength,goals,assist,flair & that player that gets you on the edge of your seat. Antonio often looked a lazy idiot & lethargic but he can produce the goods. hopefully the new lot will put together a side capable of a top 6 challenge next season. Edited April 20, 2015 by richowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 We'd be without Westwood and Lees...?Absobloodyexactly. Antonio was like a younger, less mental JJ - unplayable on his day but if he was having a bad game then the team's performance suffered as a result of having to carry him. We made a profit on him and signed the best centre half we've had since Bougherra to play in front of the best keeper in the league... and we could still finish above Forest this season. THAT goal was sumat special though - arguably the best Hillsborough moment this century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 There's no denying he was a goal threat. Created goals too. Something we have been lacking this season. I will remember him for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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