Defending set pieces cost us massively

[DaveClark]

3 minutes ago, Utah Owl said:

...........and who was their manager for most of his time there?

 

 

Which is actually another reason why I lambast Moore sometimes for not playing to the situation around him.

 

One of the first things Megson did when he came in was assess what he had, realised it was going to be a struggle and then promptly came up with a plan.  He made the pitch the minimum width possible, but kept the length.   He devised tactics that fitted the squad he had, and he devised motivational techniques for both incoming players and those who were there already.

 

He didn't get over the line, maybe he would have if given the chance, we won't know (but I think maybe it's widely accepted he maybe wouldn't have) - but at least Megson had an identity, and he did leave a legacy that could have been worked with, but sadly it wasn't.

Regardless of what happened after Megson left, in hindsight I think if we'd have kept with him long term, the club would be far better off right now - even if we didn't get that promotion.

 

Now Moore?  He seems to have a nack of getting hold of decent players for this level, but I'm not sure what else he has.   He does not seem to galvanise them as a team.   There is little organisation, which you would have expected given Moore was a defender and, as you say worked under some managers who really did put the effort in when it comes to understanding the opposition.

Moore is still quite young for a manager.   Let us hope he is still learning and developing himself, because as I see it, this league is harder next season.

 

[SiJ]

1 hour ago, room0035 said:

The benefits of playing a right back and a left winger at centre back, when you had centre backs available.

 

It was noticeable how much better we got when Storey, Hutch and a n other were in the back 3.

 

Had we played 3 centre backs from the start of the season instead of square pegs in round holes we would now be a championship team. Its really that simple.

We had a load of injuries at CB, hence why we ended up shoehorning people into the back three for a period. 

 

And we were still conceding goals from set pieces even after we had 3 CBs playing regularly. 

 

[BRUCE LEE]

We played the majority of our games with 1 centre half until mid Jan so it’s no surprise really

 

Manager is a plum

[SiJ]

13 minutes ago, BRUCE LEE said:

We played the majority of our games with 1 centre half until mid Jan so it’s no surprise really

 

Manager is a plum

How many fit CBs did we have up until mid-Jan? 

[legendaryswan]

Whenever hes been asked about the issue you can sense DMs frustration with his defenders and set pieces.

The last time we recruited 2 solid CBs and a sound keeper was under Stuart Gray, we never replaced any of them with the same quality and thats down to poor recruitment, again.

[SiJ]

9 minutes ago, legendaryswan said:

Whenever hes been asked about the issue you can sense DMs frustration with his defenders and set pieces.

The last time we recruited 2 solid CBs and a sound keeper was under Stuart Gray, we never replaced any of them with the same quality and thats down to poor recruitment, again.

Given the player Moore was, you've got to imagine it drives him absolute nuts. 

 

There is something mildly ironic about having a team managed by big Darren Moore that plays half decent, passing attacking football, but struggles to defend corners and set plays 

[legendaryswan]

5 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Given the player Moore was, you've got to imagine it drives him absolute nuts. 

 

There is something mildly ironic about having a team managed by big Darren Moore that plays half decent, passing attacking football, but struggles to defend corners and set plays 

Drives me nuts, so he must be livid because its just basic errors like players not aware of the danger thats behind them because they dont look.

I mean you wouldnt pull out on the motorway without looking at whats behind first and being aware.

Weve got some absolute plonkers at the back

[Ray Von shabba]

2 hours ago, Fablon Dunlop said:

It wasn't set pieces. 

 

It was free kicks and corners that cost us. 

 

 

 

 

[owl84]

38% equates to 19 goals. 

 

Are there any statos on here that can tell us how many points that cost us. 

 

Eg 2 at Bolton. . 

 

Also how does that compare to previous seasons appreciate we are in a lower league but we seem to have had issues defending them for a while now. 

[McRightSide]

How many set pieces did we concede? 
 

Would be interested to see how that compares v other teams and whether our issue is the number we concede too

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

21 minutes ago, McRightSide said:

How many set pieces did we concede? 
 

Would be interested to see how that compares v other teams and whether our issue is the number we concede too

 

 

 

[A E Neuman NYowl]

It's not just down to the defenders, at set pieces it's down to the whole team to defend.

We could do with a couple of players who are more dominant in the air other than the 3 central defenders.

[BRUCE LEE]

9 hours ago, SiJ said:

How many fit CBs did we have up until mid-Jan? 

Who started the season with out recruiting adequate cover?

[Guest Musttryharder]

1 hour ago, A E Neuman NYowl said:

It's not just down to the defenders, at set pieces it's down to the whole team to defend.

We could do with a couple of players who are more dominant in the air other than the 3 central defenders.

That's the problem. No body knows who is picking who up at set pieces. Coaching issue? We have our set piece specialists, long  throw in specialists but we don't have a defensive plan for defending. It's nowt to do with who the personnel are on the pitch. Total lack of organisation leads to stupid goals being conceded. Everyone else can see apart from the coaching staff. 

[SiJ]

35 minutes ago, BRUCE LEE said:

Who started the season with out recruiting adequate cover?

At the start, we had Hutchinson, Iorfa, Dunkley, Palmer as backup and I think we brought Gibson in. 

 

Unfortunately, most of them ended up getting injured pretty early on. 

 

Perhaps we should have brought in a few more, but recruitment isn't always as easy as clicking one's fingers. 

 

 

[striker]

It was a particularly costly weakness last season. 

 

But, better one obvious flaw to fix then many, or undetermined issues. 

[Blatter]

Moore rarely had a settled back three throughout the season. Most of the time he was forced into playing full backs and wingers in defensive positions. Even when it did become more settled towards the end of the season it lacked height & was unbalanced with no centre back comfortable playing on the left side of a three.

 

Recruitment must correct these faults. Longer term you cannot successfully defend without the correct balance of right and left sided players. 

 

[Bulldog]

2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

 

 

So Toytown conceded ONE goal all season from a set piece, just look at that again, ONE! and people keep saying we had one of the best squads in the league. Evidently not the case.

[Bulldog]

1 minute ago, Bulldog said:

So Toytown conceded ONE goal all season from a set piece, just look at that again, ONE! and people keep saying we had one of the best squads in the league. Evidently not the case.

Don't all pile on - I read that completely wrong it's 8 (Sorry!)

[Avonowl]

23 minutes ago, Bulldog said:

So Toytown conceded ONE goal all season from a set piece, just look at that again, ONE! and people keep saying we had one of the best squads in the league. Evidently not the case.

Sunderland and Wigan also conceded very few. Us on the other hand...

You'll struggle in any league if you can't defend a set piece.