bigthinrob Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Quite simply we have one of the best players in the league here in Wing If we don't play him in the position where he excels he will be wasted and even worse criticised and hated on by fans who don't understand he's not in his natural position doing what he can do best Nah! “He’s sh*t innit”. The experts have already decided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I think he’s less confident than he comes across and completely in awe of Bannan. Was almost a bit weird the way he bigged Baz up in first couple of interviews. Think he’ll settle and do well but badly needs a goal to boost his self-belief and could do with stepping out of BB’s pipe a bit, that pass Wing slotted for Palmer’s (?) pizza cup goal other week was a thing of genuine beauty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Please tell me what his natural position is, because he seems too lightweight for midfield, tackles like Adam Reach!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, Paul.. said: Dele-Bashiru lacks the technical ability of Wing but he more than makes up for it in terms of desire and commitment, that's what makes Wing a weak point in midfield when he comes on. Certainly true on what I've seen to date. Previously proved to be a good player so it's strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Quite simply we have one of the best players in the league here in Wing If we don't play him in the position where he excels he will be wasted and even worse criticised and hated on by fans who don't understand he's not in his natural position doing what he can do best If he's one of the division's best players if he's played slightly out of position he should still be able to play well as that is what the best players can do. It's not like we have the leagues best striker and are playing him at left back, he has a slightly different role in midfield to what he's supposedly excelled at in the past because we have Bannan who probably is the best player in the division there. He needs to show what he can do out of position so we think "imagine what this guy can do if we played him in his best position" not "he's been rubbish so we need to make him the main man-then he will be good" you need to work your way there. He doesn't start for me at the moment. He needs to work into the team then work into that number 10 role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: If he's one of the division's best players if he's played slightly out of position he should still be able to play well This is a prime example of what I've been predicting in my posts above 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Asio otus said: Please tell me what his natural position is, because he seems too lightweight for midfield, tackles like Adam Reach!! Christ, imagine Adam Reach at 40% the workrate. I just keep picturing a cloud of pink smoke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Animis said: So you're saying it's Moore's fault he looked poor? I get players may struggle if asked to play our of their 'natural' and best position but the manager surely wouldn't risk the team performance by doing this - or would he? Gary Monk did it every week & DM seems to have a similar stubborn insistence on certain positions & formations, even at the expense of getting the most out of certain players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: This is a prime example of what I've been predicting in my posts above I know but you can't justify building the team around him when he can't even do a reasonable job in a slightly different position. The fact is we have not seen anything from him to justify his place in the team bar a few nice touches v Hudds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I'm just saying if you have the league's best striker and play him at left back not only will he not be able to excel and do the job we know he's capable of, but the fans will probably see him struggling at left back and boo him and slate him saying 'he's not very good is he?' and before you know it you get calls for him to be dropped I suppose it depends on whether they can adapt - Paterson was/is a striker and played that position at a high level, but also was asked to fill in at full back. Moore clearly needs to ensure he doesn't expose players and the team to unnecessary risks, as the crowd will react poorly when it doesn't work - Wing lost the ball in dangerous positions yesterday, which as you say, may have resulted from him playing in an unnatural role. However, I don't buy that fans 'hate' players as you suggest. I don't think it's terminology you should should be using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I know but you can't justify building the team around him when he can't even do a reasonable job in a slightly different position. Again this is exactly the sort of fan logic I've been talking about above in my earlier posts Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screen Door Slams Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Said in another thread......................Paul Warne had him playing out of his skin..................he looks lost under our manager 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: Again this is exactly the sort of fan logic I've been talking about above in my earlier posts What do you mean fan logic? this is exactly how DM is doing it as well. What was it about Wing's cameo yesterday such as losing the ball in the middle in the park you think would be different if he had the ball higher up the field? he played rubbish because he had a rubbish day, not his position or DM's fault. Why make excuses for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Screen Door Slams said: Said in another thread......................Paul Warne had him playing out of his skin..................he looks lost under our manager Yeah he does It's very strange and disappointing so far We need him to be played in his proper position with the same brief that he used to get at Rotherham Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, @owlstalk said: Yeah he does It's very strange and disappointing so far We need him to be played in his proper position with the same brief that he used to get at Rotherham If he plays in his proper position then Bannan isn't in his proper position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSheffWeds Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Quite simply we have one of the best players in the league here in Wing If we don't play him in the position where he excels he will be wasted and even worse criticised and hated on by fans who don't understand he's not in his natural position doing what he can do best That’s the problem isn’t it ? We defo have the players. Wing can be outstanding at this level. Adeniran was excellent for Wycombe last season. Corbeanu/shodipo rated as very good players. Iorfa is a Championship player. Bannan is a class act in this league, comfortably a Championship player. Paterson/Windass were wanted by Championship clubs in the summer. Hutchinson easily good enough for this level. Peacock-Farrell easily good enough for this level. Gregory better than 90% of forwards in this league. I could go on…. So the manager has been backed. There are no more excuses. The only thing Moore needs is a bit of time. But if he doesn’t start getting a tune out of the players above by Christmas, we have a serious problem. It really is all down to Moore to motivate and get the results. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, RichSheffWeds said: That’s the problem isn’t it ? We defo have the players. Wing can be outstanding at this level. Adeniran was excellent for Wycombe last season. Corbeanu/shodipo rated as very good players. Iorfa is a Championship player. Bannan is a class act in this league, comfortably a Championship player. Paterson/Windass were wanted by Championship clubs in the summer. Hutchinson easily good enough for this level. Peacock-Farrell easily good enough for this level. Gregory better than 90% of forwards in this league. I could go on…. So the manager has been backed. There are no more excuses. The only thing Moore needs is a bit of time. But if he doesn’t start getting a tune out of the players above by Christmas, we have a serious problem. It really is all down to Moore to motivate and get the results. As everyone who reads the site will know I'm fiercely protective of managers at our club as I think our fanbase like the hire and fire method that simply doesn't work But you're right It's up to Moore now to get 'Moore' out of this squad And I have absolutely no idea how he's going to do it quickly enough. I don't know our best starting lineup any'moore' than Darren Moore does - nor does anyone else. I don't know our best formation, our best strategy It feels like we are right at the start of pre-season I do really hope that Wing is put in his natural position though and unleashed - and same for the players you mentioned too Having said that the first 20 minutes yesterday was thrilling and maybe Moore can just get the team doing that for 90? 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Yeah he does It's very strange and disappointing so far We need him to be played in his proper position with the same brief that he used to get at Rotherham And then hope that he does some of the basics better than he's been exhibiting so far. Probably a mixture of being both out of form and position. He needs to evidence the former to the coaching team to justify ousting someone else though IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I think like a few players he’s been stunned that these other teams are putting up a fight and his confidence has suffered for it. Plus Hillsborough had turned negative by the time he got on and that doesn’t help (Even though the players caused this) Plus Moore changes things on a day to day basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Looked rather like he couldn’t be bothered yesterday. Unless Moore gets a grip, we’ll have another Izzy Brown scenario unfolding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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