ANDY Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Financial Fair Play rule change leads to chaos as EFL clubs try to prove Covid-19 has cut squad values The EFL has relaxed its FFP rules to help clubs deal with the pandemic but calculating impact on market value of players is proving particularly tricky The Football League has relaxed its Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, joining the Premier League in helping clubs deal with the pandemic’s impact, but regulation changes are causing confusion for clubs across the English game trying to prove losses incurred directly by Covid-19. The EFL’s regulations have been updated to include a clause permitting its clubs – in the Championship, League One and League Two – to exclude “Covid-19 costs” for the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons from their reported expenditure. Appendix five of the regulations now includes factoring in “lost revenues and/or exceptional costs incurred by a club that are directly attributable to the Covid-19 pandemic and that are identified and calculated in accordance with such guidance as issued by the board”. Alongside spending on women’s football, youth and community development, clubs can deduct costs from pre-tax earnings in their financial reports for costs relating to the coronavirus, such as making their training ground and stadium Covid-secure. This must be subjected to an independent audit and helps to ensure their spending is compliant with FFP restrictions. More detailed guidance has also been sent to all clubs. Yet where it has become particularly uncertain is clubs attempting to prove potential loss of future earnings due to the pandemic decreasing the value of their playing squad. If assets – as players are considered – have decreased in value, it can also be a deducted factor to ensure compliance with FFP Most clubs accept that the market value of players has dropped since the pandemic devastated finances in football worldwide, but are struggling to quantify that. They could, for example, demonstrate a player’s decrease in value if they received a £10million offer in January that reduced to £5m in the most recent transfer window, but cases like this are rare. Even then, a drop in form could be a cause. Clubs are, therefore, unable to prove sufficiently that their entire playing squad is worth less than pre-Covid times, or by how much, and many are unclear how to proceed. They want the leagues to take a pragmatic approach to recognise the unusual times and be assured that they will not be docked points as a consequence. Debate is continuing as to how best to deal with the issue, with most clubs simply wanting a fair and level playing field. The rules are open to interpretation currently and any decision is at the behest of the EFL, making it difficult for clubs to plan adequately for the future. Many clubs in the lower divisions have or still face going out of business but even at the wealthier end of the pyramid clubs are incurring catastrophic losses. Everton announced an astonishing loss of £139.9m for the 2019-20 financial year, £67.3m a result of Covid-19. But the Premier League’s largely untethered expenditure on transfers in the summer window – Chelsea spent over £200m, Manchester City £120m, Liverpool £70m – that went down badly with the Government when top-flight clubs still complained of financial uncertainty, also makes it harder to argue that player valuations should be considered to have decreased. The Premier League agreed a £250m bailout of EFL clubs at the start of December, after months of wrangling and negotiation, with £50m going to clubs in League One and League Two and £200m made available to Championship clubs in interest-free loans. Premier League chief executive Richard Masters said at the time: “The Premier League is a huge a supporter of the football pyramid and is well aware of the important role clubs play in their communities. Our commitment is that no EFL club need go out of business due to Covid-19. “All football clubs continue to suffer significant financial losses as a result of the pandemic, but Premier League shareholders today unanimously agreed to provide additional funding and support for EFL clubs in real financial distress.” EFL chairman Rick Parry said: “Our over-arching aim throughout this process has been to ensure that all EFL clubs survive the financial impact of the pandemic.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 We have surely got the better proof the most clubs in this respect in terms of decreasing value in COVID times. Pre-COVID, which started to spread around the globe in the New Year, we were the 3rd best team at this level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Westwood was easily worth £100m last year. Forge those documents Chansiri. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HillsboroughOwlNI Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 So Mr Bannan value drop £30m to £1m because Covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtheowl Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, ANDY said: Financial Fair Play rule change leads to chaos as EFL clubs try to prove Covid-19 has cut squad values The EFL has relaxed its FFP rules to help clubs deal with the pandemic but calculating impact on market value of players is proving particularly tricky The Football League has relaxed its Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, joining the Premier League in helping clubs deal with the pandemic’s impact, but regulation changes are causing confusion for clubs across the English game trying to prove losses incurred directly by Covid-19. The EFL’s regulations have been updated to include a clause permitting its clubs – in the Championship, League One and League Two – to exclude “Covid-19 costs” for the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons from their reported expenditure. Appendix five of the regulations now includes factoring in “lost revenues and/or exceptional costs incurred by a club that are directly attributable to the Covid-19 pandemic and that are identified and calculated in accordance with such guidance as issued by the board”. Alongside spending on women’s football, youth and community development, clubs can deduct costs from pre-tax earnings in their financial reports for costs relating to the coronavirus, such as making their training ground and stadium Covid-secure. This must be subjected to an independent audit and helps to ensure their spending is compliant with FFP restrictions. More detailed guidance has also been sent to all clubs. Yet where it has become particularly uncertain is clubs attempting to prove potential loss of future earnings due to the pandemic decreasing the value of their playing squad. If assets – as players are considered – have decreased in value, it can also be a deducted factor to ensure compliance with FFP Most clubs accept that the market value of players has dropped since the pandemic devastated finances in football worldwide, but are struggling to quantify that. They could, for example, demonstrate a player’s decrease in value if they received a £10million offer in January that reduced to £5m in the most recent transfer window, but cases like this are rare. Even then, a drop in form could be a cause. Clubs are, therefore, unable to prove sufficiently that their entire playing squad is worth less than pre-Covid times, or by how much, and many are unclear how to proceed. They want the leagues to take a pragmatic approach to recognise the unusual times and be assured that they will not be docked points as a consequence. Debate is continuing as to how best to deal with the issue, with most clubs simply wanting a fair and level playing field. The rules are open to interpretation currently and any decision is at the behest of the EFL, making it difficult for clubs to plan adequately for the future. Many clubs in the lower divisions have or still face going out of business but even at the wealthier end of the pyramid clubs are incurring catastrophic losses. Everton announced an astonishing loss of £139.9m for the 2019-20 financial year, £67.3m a result of Covid-19. But the Premier League’s largely untethered expenditure on transfers in the summer window – Chelsea spent over £200m, Manchester City £120m, Liverpool £70m – that went down badly with the Government when top-flight clubs still complained of financial uncertainty, also makes it harder to argue that player valuations should be considered to have decreased. The Premier League agreed a £250m bailout of EFL clubs at the start of December, after months of wrangling and negotiation, with £50m going to clubs in League One and League Two and £200m made available to Championship clubs in interest-free loans. Premier League chief executive Richard Masters said at the time: “The Premier League is a huge a supporter of the football pyramid and is well aware of the important role clubs play in their communities. Our commitment is that no EFL club need go out of business due to Covid-19. “All football clubs continue to suffer significant financial losses as a result of the pandemic, but Premier League shareholders today unanimously agreed to provide additional funding and support for EFL clubs in real financial distress.” EFL chairman Rick Parry said: “Our over-arching aim throughout this process has been to ensure that all EFL clubs survive the financial impact of the pandemic.” That decision as been on the cards for a month or so, that also means TP will get the green light !! UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chriss said: Westwood was easily worth £100m last year. Forge those documents Chansiri. He'll leave it 12 months too late to get the paperwork in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonbones Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, kevtheowl said: That decision as been on the cards for a month or so, that also means TP will get the green light !! UTO sadly not. Our cashflow problems still exist. Either Mr Chansiri cannot or will not get funds into SWFC from abroad. Do issues exist transferring money from a Thai bank account to a British one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 This has got creative accounting and points deduction written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 You can trust DC will attempt to exploit this and subsequently rodger it up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, Chriss said: Westwood was easily worth £100m last year. Forge those documents Chansiri. "why would I want to forge documents that show a reduced valuation?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, Salmonbones said: sadly not. Our cashflow problems still exist. Either Mr Chansiri cannot or will not get funds into SWFC from abroad. Do issues exist transferring money from a Thai bank account to a British one? Only if you dont want to shift it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtheowl Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Salmonbones said: sadly not. Our cashflow problems still exist. Either Mr Chansiri cannot or will not get funds into SWFC from abroad. Do issues exist transferring money from a Thai bank account to a British one? Do you really think that Mr Chansiri has only one bank account !! UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, ANDY said: Financial Fair Play rule change leads to chaos as EFL clubs try to prove Covid-19 has cut squad values The EFL has relaxed its FFP rules to help clubs deal with the pandemic but calculating impact on market value of players is proving particularly tricky The Football League has relaxed its Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, joining the Premier League in helping clubs deal with the pandemic’s impact, but regulation changes are causing confusion for clubs across the English game trying to prove losses incurred directly by Covid-19. The EFL’s regulations have been updated to include a clause permitting its clubs – in the Championship, League One and League Two – to exclude “Covid-19 costs” for the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons from their reported expenditure. Appendix five of the regulations now includes factoring in “lost revenues and/or exceptional costs incurred by a club that are directly attributable to the Covid-19 pandemic and that are identified and calculated in accordance with such guidance as issued by the board”. Alongside spending on women’s football, youth and community development, clubs can deduct costs from pre-tax earnings in their financial reports for costs relating to the coronavirus, such as making their training ground and stadium Covid-secure. This must be subjected to an independent audit and helps to ensure their spending is compliant with FFP restrictions. More detailed guidance has also been sent to all clubs. Yet where it has become particularly uncertain is clubs attempting to prove potential loss of future earnings due to the pandemic decreasing the value of their playing squad. If assets – as players are considered – have decreased in value, it can also be a deducted factor to ensure compliance with FFP Most clubs accept that the market value of players has dropped since the pandemic devastated finances in football worldwide, but are struggling to quantify that. They could, for example, demonstrate a player’s decrease in value if they received a £10million offer in January that reduced to £5m in the most recent transfer window, but cases like this are rare. Even then, a drop in form could be a cause. Clubs are, therefore, unable to prove sufficiently that their entire playing squad is worth less than pre-Covid times, or by how much, and many are unclear how to proceed. They want the leagues to take a pragmatic approach to recognise the unusual times and be assured that they will not be docked points as a consequence. Debate is continuing as to how best to deal with the issue, with most clubs simply wanting a fair and level playing field. The rules are open to interpretation currently and any decision is at the behest of the EFL, making it difficult for clubs to plan adequately for the future. Many clubs in the lower divisions have or still face going out of business but even at the wealthier end of the pyramid clubs are incurring catastrophic losses. Everton announced an astonishing loss of £139.9m for the 2019-20 financial year, £67.3m a result of Covid-19. But the Premier League’s largely untethered expenditure on transfers in the summer window – Chelsea spent over £200m, Manchester City £120m, Liverpool £70m – that went down badly with the Government when top-flight clubs still complained of financial uncertainty, also makes it harder to argue that player valuations should be considered to have decreased. The Premier League agreed a £250m bailout of EFL clubs at the start of December, after months of wrangling and negotiation, with £50m going to clubs in League One and League Two and £200m made available to Championship clubs in interest-free loans. Premier League chief executive Richard Masters said at the time: “The Premier League is a huge a supporter of the football pyramid and is well aware of the important role clubs play in their communities. Our commitment is that no EFL club need go out of business due to Covid-19. “All football clubs continue to suffer significant financial losses as a result of the pandemic, but Premier League shareholders today unanimously agreed to provide additional funding and support for EFL clubs in real financial distress.” EFL chairman Rick Parry said: “Our over-arching aim throughout this process has been to ensure that all EFL clubs survive the financial impact of the pandemic.” Can we backdate the purchase of Abdi and Rhodes to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: So Mr Bannan value drop £30m to £1m because Covid I thought it was because of the hair plugs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 So, can you now also pay from sources outside clubs? Would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Games gone mad, spend more time worrying about spending and ffp than the game. Just go back 10 years and let clubs spend how they want. If they go to admin so be it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Salmonbones said: sadly not. Our cashflow problems still exist. Either Mr Chansiri cannot or will not get funds into SWFC from abroad. Do issues exist transferring money from a Thai bank account to a British one? I doubt you can transfer money from an empty bank account no matter the jurisdiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Salmonbones said: sadly not. Our cashflow problems still exist. Either Mr Chansiri cannot or will not get funds into SWFC from abroad. Do issues exist transferring money from a Thai bank account to a British one? No difficulties if you have money in the Thai bank account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, kobayashi said: No difficulties if you have money in the Thai bank account. Or a Portugese / Panamanian / Swiss.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Salmonbones said: He'll leave it 12 months too late to get the paperwork in. Yes but he can always backdate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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