Neither Monk Nor Pulis Are The Real Problem

[SallyCinnamon]

5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

I've not said anyone's grabbing money at all

 

Not even hinted or suggested or pointed anything towards that

 

 

So why did you say the manager and his mate now outnumber the chairman?

 

You’re suggesting that something strange is going on based on absolutely nothing at all!

[@owlstalk]

3 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

So why did you say the manager and his mate now outnumber the chairman? 

Errrr...

 

Because there's two of them and one of him?

Kinda already answered that one before

 

 

[FlyingOwl]

The last few years of mis-management by DC has lead us to this moment.

 

Point deduction aside, we’d be struggling this season. We have a crap team because DC gambled on one/two seasons. We have a crap team because we had players on massive contracts/wages and we let them run their deals out rather than get money for them that we could reinvest, or at least persuade them to stay on on reduced terms. The two players we did sell, Joao and Hunt, we could only sell for a fraction of what they’re actually worth (Hunt especially, Joao is a ‘we should have asked for more in hindsight).

 

Weve been run hideously from a business perspective, the current on the field results are a reflection of years of bad decisions.

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

Errrr...

 

Because there's two of them and one of him?

Kinda already answered that one before

 

 

 

Brilliant.

[@owlstalk]

 

 

Am sure SallyCInnaman  is totally right here and that there's nothing wrong with our chairman appointing the advisor's mate

 

That's not gonna cause any issues at all

Sorry everyone

[Guest Hornsby]

20 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

Monk, despite what some on here seem to believe, had done decent to good jobs at Swansea, Leeds and Birmingham, with only Middlesbrough being an arguable underachievement on his CV before he struggled here.

 

Pulis, no matter what we might feel about his methods, is an experienced manager with a track record of getting results at many different clubs. Yet he rocks up here and we can't buy a win.

 

I don't believe either are bad managers. Their careers before taking the Hillsborough hot-seat should be enough to tell us that they know how to manage football teams provided the context in which they're working is reasonable.

 

We can argue the tøss about lineups, formations, substitutions, demeanour in interviews, choice of headwear etc... until the end of time if we like, but the issues at our club are much bigger than the man who happens to be in the dugout at any given time, I'm afraid.

 

All they're doing is shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic whilst the man who slammed us into an iceberg and left us with this understrength, unbalanced squad and seemingly little chance to improve it, looks on from afar with no clear plan as to how to avoid the inevitable.

 

Years of mismanagement, lack of direction, incoherent planning, and sheer ineptitude have led us to this.

 

And that's down to Chansiri.

At last. As soon as Chaniri appointed a football agency , Doyen, to do our recruitment  etc you knew he was suspect.

 

Especially an outfit sanctioned by Dutch FA for dodgy Twente dealings and accused of tax fraud in Spain.

 

He should now sell club cheaply to fans. After accounts done.

[ashley8]

Yes Chansiri is to blame.... for poor players AND poor manager's MONK JOS and bad choice like PULIS.

Stupidity to try not blaming the manager's too.... they have been crap, made bad decisions and choices and couldn't motivate the players. 

 

Chansiri deserves blame for listening or not listening to the right people.

 

Manager's have FAILED  to get the best out of what we have had.

 

Players have not played their best....some who are quality need to step up.... some are crap and shouldn't have been brought in. All should give their all.

Supporters for allowing all this crap to go on for decades and kept paying our money and hoping for better.

 

Before Anyone says anything..... think on this.... look around us look at how many teams do manage to get a manager who transforms them! Do well with little resources. It DOES happen.... 

Stop moaning that we can't get anyone or any better! Others do it with less than us. You need money to go up but you can survive with out multi millions but you need to make good decisions and find young gems along with experience to guide them. It's nothing new. Show supporters you are trying to play the right way or want to in time and show you have a long term plan. Get the players buzzing because they see a vision. Create belief!!!!

 

Right now we have dross STILL

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

2 hours ago, FreshOwl said:

Agree but also disagree to an extent 

 

We have a rubbish squad, but a manager of Pulis’ supposed background should be getting more out of them. We’ve actually become worse which I didn’t think was possible

 

Bruce didn’t have any issues with a similar group. 
 

I think what we’re actually seeing is why Monk & Pulis ended up at Wednesday in the first place, and didn’t already have a job or were rumoured to be going anywhere 

 

Because they’re not very good 

 

Bruce didn't have to fashion a strikeforce out of Windass, Paterson, Rhodes and Kachunga.

 

He had Fletcher, Forestieri, Nuhiu, Jõao and Hooper to choose from during his brief tenure.

 

Again, we go back to the simplistic notion that neither Monk nor Pulis are good managers, which is fine, and given what we've seen of them at Hillsborough, an understandable conclusion to draw at this point.

 

However, it doesn't explain why each of them have done better jobs at all of their previous clubs and why Wednesday is the one club where both have floundered thus far.

 

The common denominator here isn't Monk or Pulis.

[SallyCinnamon]

13 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

 

Am sure SallyCInnaman  is totally right here and that there's nothing wrong with our chairman appointing the advisor's mate

 

That's not gonna cause any issues at all

Sorry everyone

As Biggs says, why is this necessary a bad thing? 
 

And is this the sole reason Pulis was appointed? Not his record as a manager or experience?

[@owlstalk]

Just now, SallyCinnamon said:

As Biggs says, why is this necessary a bad thing? 
 

And is this the sole reason Pulis was appointed? Not his record as a manager or experience?

Nobody has said anything about why Pulis was appointed?

That's three times you've made stuff up

 

Are you ok?
 

[SallyCinnamon]

1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

Nobody has said anything about why Pulis was appointed?

That's three times you've made stuff up

 

Are you ok?
 

 

You’re talking absolute rubbish mate. You’ve suggested the chairman is now outnumbered based on your own assumptions and a tweet by Alan Biggs. 
 

Paixao is part of the club, I’m skeptical of his influence but it doesn’t mean the Pulis appointment is a bad thing where the chairman is now outnumbered. 
 

You’re talking testicles.

 

 

[Guest Hornsby]

13 minutes ago, SallyCinnamon said:

As Biggs says, why is this necessary a bad thing? 
 

And is this the sole reason Pulis was appointed? Not his record as a manager or experience?

Cos Pearson and Cooky wanted job and didn't even get a call.

[Rogers]

Lets face it, we've been crap since 1995 - ish. 

[toppOwl]

17 hours ago, SallyCinnamon said:

We’ve gone from 3rd in the league last Christmas. To bottom of the league in the space of a year. 
 

To me that suggests there is something wrong behind the scenes. That is one almighty collapse. Something has happened in my opinion, a decline like that is not normal regardless of who the manager is.

 

 

I get a little tired of this “3rd at Christmas” thing, there were only about 3 points separating 3rd from around 11th place, it was a totally false position.

[Prince]

Chairman fully to blame for the debacle with see in front of us. It's his club and the team on the pitch is managed by his appointments.

 

I don't blame either Monk or Pulis for the awful state of the club, What they must carry the can for is not doing what they are paid to do and get the best of the the players they have available to them. Monk's defensive tactics were an abomination to watch and we ended up playing on the back foot every game. Bringing in the ultra defensive Pulis and his dire brand of football has made us regress even further from the lows of Monk. I would say we are dead certs to be relegated and Pulis will retire back to Skysports with an even bigger pension pot for his outdated preaching's.

 

Chansiri needs to sell up as soon as possible for whatever he can get for us, the bloke hasn''t got a hope in hell of being successful while ever he has a hole in is ar$e. Our value will only drop further as we drop further under his mismanagement and very poor guidance.

 

Hopefully the next owner won't say one thing and do completely the opposite. You never know we might even attract the fabled sponsors and have local businesses able to afford corporate boxes and advertising around the ground. Fans priced out may return and kids might even want to support us. 

 

Until we get rid of the arrogant idiot with Daddies wallet then we won't be going anywhere only down.

[billyblack]

On 12/12/2020 at 19:47, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

Monk, despite what some on here seem to believe, had done decent to good jobs at Swansea, Leeds and Birmingham, with only Middlesbrough being an arguable underachievement on his CV before he struggled here.

 

Pulis, no matter what we might feel about his methods, is an experienced manager with a track record of getting results at many different clubs. Yet he rocks up here and we can't buy a win.

 

I don't believe either are bad managers. Their careers before taking the Hillsborough hot-seat should be enough to tell us that they know how to manage football teams provided the context in which they're working is reasonable.

 

We can argue the tøss about lineups, formations, substitutions, demeanour in interviews, choice of headwear etc... until the end of time if we like, but the issues at our club are much bigger than the man who happens to be in the dugout at any given time, I'm afraid.

 

All they're doing is shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic whilst the man who slammed us into an iceberg and left us with this understrength, unbalanced squad and seemingly little chance to improve it, looks on from afar with no clear plan as to how to avoid the inevitable.

 

Years of mismanagement, lack of direction, incoherent planning, and sheer ineptitude have led us to this.

 

And that's down to Chansiri.

Amen. Nothing else to say

[billyblack]

16 hours ago, FlyingOwl said:

The last few years of mis-management by DC has lead us to this moment.

 

Point deduction aside, we’d be struggling this season. We have a crap team because DC gambled on one/two seasons. We have a crap team because we had players on massive contracts/wages and we let them run their deals out rather than get money for them that we could reinvest, or at least persuade them to stay on on reduced terms. The two players we did sell, Joao and Hunt, we could only sell for a fraction of what they’re actually worth (Hunt especially, Joao is a ‘we should have asked for more in hindsight).

 

Weve been run hideously from a business perspective, the current on the field results are a reflection of years of bad decisions.

100%, and furthermore will take years to recover from

[gurujuan]

When it comes to recruitment of players and managers, of course it’s someone else making those decisions Do you think that DC even knew who Carlos was when he appointed him? He will of course, have the final say, but these appointments are put in place by somebody else, and merely ratified by him