Popular Post areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 Monk, despite what some on here seem to believe, had done decent to good jobs at Swansea, Leeds and Birmingham, with only Middlesbrough being an arguable underachievement on his CV before he struggled here. Pulis, no matter what we might feel about his methods, is an experienced manager with a track record of getting results at many different clubs. Yet he rocks up here and we can't buy a win. I don't believe either are bad managers. Their careers before taking the Hillsborough hot-seat should be enough to tell us that they know how to manage football teams provided the context in which they're working is reasonable. We can argue the tøss about lineups, formations, substitutions, demeanour in interviews, choice of headwear etc... until the end of time if we like, but the issues at our club are much bigger than the man who happens to be in the dugout at any given time, I'm afraid. All they're doing is shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic whilst the man who slammed us into an iceberg and left us with this understrength, unbalanced squad and seemingly little chance to improve it, looks on from afar with no clear plan as to how to avoid the inevitable. Years of mismanagement, lack of direction, incoherent planning, and sheer ineptitude have led us to this. And that's down to Chansiri. 38 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Wednesday have a special ability to take players and managers to new lows. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morepork Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Yep, when Cakeball was your finest hour........ Edited December 12, 2020 by Morepork 2 2 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Everything is Chansiri’s fault as he makes the decisions, however anyone sticking up for Pulis needs their bumps feeling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Agree with OP. No direction or leadership provided by DC. Poor decisions cost us the -12 initially which had a huge impact on recruitment and look where we are at now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, northeastowl said: Everything is Chansiri’s fault as he makes the decisions, however anyone sticking up for Pulis needs their bumps feeling. How do you explain his track record at previous clubs, though? Is he a terrible manager who's somehow carved out a two-decade plus career, with many years in the top flight? Or is he an experienced manager who's desperately trying to get a tune out of a squad the likes of which he's probably not encountered in many a year? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Chansiri won't learn. That much is obvious. Our best hope (if he's not to sell up) is that he gets lucky at some point and appoints a manager that somehow just gets it right first time. So looking on as a fan, that's all we've got to our hopes on. Will it be Pulis? The signs aren't ‘good’ right now that much is certain. He'll get a window though and then we'll know whether we'll be needing to try a different arrangement of deckchairs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 No they are just the hopelessly poor choices of our, slow to learn, chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronio Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, Ronio said: Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightLikeAGirl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 It's almost like there's a pattern or something. I wonder how much of it is down to the squad as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: No they are just the hopelessly poor choices of our, slow to learn, chairman Slowness doesn't quite capture it though. Even that would give us hope that he'll eventually get it. And just when I think he's exhausted all the errors that it's possible to make, he finds more; it's like he goes out of his way to be rubbish at what he does. But he can't delegate, can he? That's the issue. The fact he doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to football wouldn't be a problem (just as it isn't for all the other football owners that know f-all about the game) if he could only delegate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Morepork said: Yep, when Cakeball was your finest hour........ When 95 years was your finest hour,,,without a major trophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) The owner needs to “own” this situation. He’s both a narcissist and a fool. That has been compounded by a catalogue of avoidable errors and erroneous advice. Hair-brained schemes like the 10 year “Ponzi” season ticket were like the “stall” warning going off in the cockpit of a jumbo jet........ There will be no improvement under this owner because he is incapable of leading that improvement. Edited December 12, 2020 by Morepork 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCinnamon Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Absolutely spot on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: When 95 years was your finest hour,,,without a major trophy I meant DC’s finest hour but I’m happy to blame him for the last 95 years........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 of course monk and pulis are the problem the way they set there teams up ,bomb players out who clearly are better than whats on the pitch ,there subs ,timings of them and a whole lot more , if we got in a proper decent manager in 2015 today we wouldnt be having the conversation we would be playing chelsea in the premier league tonight. chansiri has spent stupid amounts of money but still takes all his advise off paxo who is responsible for all our appointments . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watto Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: When 95 years was your finest hour,,,without a major trophy 95? You mean 82 don't you ? 1935 we won the fa cup , 2017-1935 =82 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastowl Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: How do you explain his track record at previous clubs, though? Is he a terrible manager who's somehow carved out a two-decade plus career, with many years in the top flight? Or is he an experienced manager who's desperately trying to get a tune out of a squad the likes of which he's probably not encountered in many a year? His track record at precious clubs? He was hated at West Brom and Middlesbrough (both clubs were doing average) and the fans stopped going. The only club I can remember doing anything at was Stoke and he didn’t do that on a shoe string budget. If you’re happy with Pulis’ that’s your prerogative, but I ain’t paying any money to watch his football. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Everyone slating the guy but he had things right in his first twelve months, the right set up with the transfer committee and willingness to spend what it takes. We just didn’t get over the line. Year two was where it all went wrong.. just gambling and it didn’t work out. I doubt he’s so stupid that he hasn’t learnt a lot running this club.. it’s just that since 2017 he’s not either been willing or able to spend money beyond paying off what he’d already committed to before that. It wouldn’t matter if he’d learnt everything he needed to if he doesn’t have the money to improve us, as id say it’s a lack of finance that’s killed us over the last 3 seasons as we haven’t been able to improve the team. Other clubs have faced similar issues though with FFP and needed new owners every 3-4 years while outside the P.L. Leicester, Wolves, Leeds, Forest, Derby, Villa all had similar problems, it’s just that some of those others got new owners and had another crack at it, getting over the line. Feels like we won’t improve until we get sold on and a fresh injection of capital.. it’s just the business model outside the PL now. Main issue is will he actually sell as he does seem more stubborn than most and that’s his biggest weakness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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