j-savas Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/tony-pulis-sacked-by-middlesbrough-16289069 Also if Monk's un doing was a lack of goals, why go for someone like Pulis. I'm confused as to the rational of all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, j-savas said: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/tony-pulis-sacked-by-middlesbrough-16289069 Also if Monk's un doing was a lack of goals, why go for someone like Pulis. I'm confused as to the rational of all of this. Pulis averages one goal per game Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-savas Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Pulis averages one goal per game "However, his brand of football was unappealing to many Boro fans, with the side scoring just 49 goals in their 46 games. That was the lowest tally in the top half and three fewer than relegated Rotherham United." On the back of the above stats I'm still confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, j-savas said: "However, his brand of football was unappealing to many Boro fans, with the side scoring just 49 goals in their 46 games. That was the lowest tally in the top half and three fewer than relegated Rotherham United." On the back of the above stats I'm still confused. 1:0 wins Dull affairs Eye bleeding anti-football Goals from corners and free kicks (headers from defenders mostly) 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sonofbert2 Posted November 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: 1:0 wins Dull affairs Eye bleeding anti-football Goals from corners and free kicks (headers from defenders mostly) You forgot the 3 points bit. 6 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: 1:0 wins Dull affairs Eye bleeding anti-football Goals from corners and free kicks (headers from defenders mostly) Well some goals will be an improvement on monk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, sonofbert2 said: You forgot the 3 points bit. I would have thought even Owlstalk readers would have come to that conclusion from the bit where I said '1:0 wins' 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, Plonk said: Well some goals will be an improvement on monk Pulis averages 1 goal a game Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Ultimately Monk;s strategy with this limited squad was to be very organised, work hard and keep clean sheets. And score from set plays. it was undone by poor set plays and defensive unforced errors , especially goalie errors. Pulis needs only fix the set plays, and cut out mistakes at the back. I would back him to do the former, not the latter. It wont be pretty though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Best manager Stoke have had in 40 years, from a Stoke fan not me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 His Middlesbrough team scored 49 goals, conceded 41. During that season they also lost 6 in a row. Not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, bradowl said: Best manager Stoke have had in 40 years, from a Stoke fan not me. What about West Brom, Middlesbrough, Bristol City.... fans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, bradowl said: Best manager Stoke have had in 40 years, from a Stoke fan not me. Here's one of the summaries of his time there, his style, and his legacy... As Barney Ronay points out in his typically erudite summation of the Tony Pulis era at Stoke, there will be little lament for his managerial passing. The initial ground-shaking tremor caused by their ascension to the Premier League back in 2008 has petered out into ever-tinier trembles, and even though Stoke eventually finished the season in a respectable 13th place, it seemed inevitable that Pulis would leave this summer. In fact, you’d almost be forgiven for forgetting that he was even still there. Their fans bemoan their perennial role of Match of the Day bottom-feeder, their game regularly relegated to last place, Shearer and Hansen too exhausted from their extensive analysis of other games to comment. But, spare a thought for the MOTD bods behind the scenes, trawling through Stoke games for incidents. They registered 34 goals all season, only eclipsed by the execrable QPR. 44% of these came directly from set pieces. Such a record can’t be put down to profligacy either; they managed the worst record in the league of dribbles, overall shots per game and shots on target. They rarely managed to achieve over 50% of possession, and their top goal-scorer Jonathan Walters scored only eight times, three of which were penalties. Combined, these stats neatly demonstrate a point; that Stoke aren’t very good to watch. This alone isn’t cause to sack a manager. Stoke’s style is said to be ugly but effective; but it’s debatable how true that still is. Their points total this season – 42, was their lowest since promotion in 2008. Their highest Premier League finish, 11th, was achieved three seasons ago. Pulis stressed that their primary aim was always to avoid relegation each season, but when sides such as West Brom and Swansea have made some sizable strides forward, this seemed peculiarly unambitious. Despite his frequent protestations about his squad compared to those of the top sides, Pulis was always well-backed by his board and given funds to strengthen his squad throughout his tenure. In the January transfer window of the successful 2007/8 promotion campaign, over £4m worth of players were brought in. Each of his five seasons in the top flight have seen him being given big budgets, and yet so much has been wasted on forgettable squad fodder; soon to be discarded. Pulis’ hallmarks were easily identifiable, the tall powerful strikers, pacy direct wingers and imposing centre backs. His philosophy seemed unbinding, which made some of his signings so inexplicable. The likes of Tuncay and Eidur Gudjohnsen were acquired, seemingly with little idea how they would fit in to Stoke’s style of play. The signing of Michael Owen this season continued this odd trend. Jonathan Woodgate, an elegant centre-back, admittedly on the wane, was occasionally deployed at right-back where he seemed completely lost. When the grinding mechanical gears of Stoke’s football clicked into place, they could be impossible to play against, backed by the raucous Brittania crowd. Signings like Jermaine Pennant were inspired, complimenting Matthew Etherington on the opposing flank with direct, attacking intent and the ability to pin back full-backs. But Pulis fell out with him, and left him out in the cold this season and last. Rumours of dressing room disharmony couldn’t be quelled, and the bizarre tale of Kenwynne Jones and the pig’s head found in his locker seemed to be the nadir of these internal machinations. Of course Pulis’ achievements should be noted, guiding Stoke to the top tier for the first time since the mid-eighties, staying there for five consecutive seasons and taking the club to the FA Cup Final in 2011. But that they won few admirers beyond those who marvelled at the hulking physicality of his side and of Rory Delap’s throw-in indicated that he was probably never going to be the man who progressed Stoke into a top-half team. 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Pulis, and his style of football are no longer relevant, the game has moved on. There’s a reason why the likes of him and Megson are out of work, they’re dinosaurs, and their methods are at odds with the direction the game is taking. If Chansiri installs this fellow, we will be the laughing stock of the EFL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, striker said: What about West Brom, Middlesbrough, Bristol City.... fans? Ive got a Baggies pal. He thought Pulis was great in the Championship but once in the Prem he and his young son got fed up of the defence-first approach and lack of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Pulis, and his style of football are no longer relevant, the game has moved on. There’s a reason why the likes of him and Megson are out of work, they’re dinosaurs, and their methods are at odds with the direction the game is taking. If Chansiri installs this fellow, we will be the laughing stock of the EFL You often say this. And that Rhodes is a throw-back. Ive got a sneaking feeling you will back-track on both of these opinions by January. I think Rhodes will thrive on us getting the ball into the box early and often. Hope I’m right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Our initial plan this season was not to get relegated...any improvement on that is a bonus. Once that goal is achieved the next goal is the playoffs. We don't necessarily have to have the same manager achieving those goals... just like SHOULD we ever get to the Premier League we don't have to keep the manager who got us there. As I've said many times on here as we get better we upgrade all the time...players, coaches, backroom staff and commercial staff...that's a plan and Pullis may be step one of that plan as much as I don't like how his teams play 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, bradowl said: Best manager Stoke have had in 40 years, from a Stoke fan not me. Best Stoke manager in 40 years - I'm guessing that not too crowded a field. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Pulis averages 1 goal a game At least we’ve found our new striker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, daveyboy66 said: Our initial plan this season was not to get relegated...any improvement on that is a bonus. Once that goal is achieved the next goal is the playoffs. We don't necessarily have to have the same manager achieving those goals... just like SHOULD we ever get to the Premier League we don't have to keep the manager who got us there. As I've said many times on here as we get better we upgrade all the time...players, coaches, backroom staff and commercial staff...that's a plan and Pullis may be step one of that plan as much as I don't like how his teams play Pulis isn't the only bloke who can stop us getting relegated. And he's not infallible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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