Is it wrong to question what's happening at the club?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

As a customer of ANY business I have the right to question that company/product to determine whether or not to spend my money with them, to see if I'm getting value for money, and to see if that company is leading by example, ethically run, innovating, producing fantastic products, learning from it's previous misfires etc

 

 

 

Absolutely, even more so in case of a football club where many have an emotional investment. If I am not happy with the work of the supermarket I use regularly I will take my custom elsewhere if they don't listen.

Can't do that with my football club but if they don't listen then I can reduce my financial & emotional investment and unless things improve it can be hard to get that back from some. 

Didn't Kevan Walker once publicly say something along the lines of, its not as if customers are shopping for groceries and can choose to go elsewhere? Taking the fanbase for granted and being flippant like that is a slippery slope.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

No need for what?

The scenario you just made up about messages?

 

 

 

You think he wont have received any abuse at all from our 'fans' on social media?

[S36 OWL]

48 minutes ago, Grandad said:

 

Id imagine DC's decision to only speak to Dom Howson isnt helping matters there

 

For me the fact he won't speak to other Journos who have dared to ask him questions about a certain advisor speaks volumes. 

[S36 OWL]

31 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

Agreed!

I'm not expecting ANY explanation from Chansiri on this one because it's a private business transaction of his and he's no reason or obligation to explain anything at all

Fans demanding answers to this one need to stand down

What I think we SHOULD hear are the plans for the future, what's the plan etc

 

Fans shouldn't stand down on this issue. Why should we? 

[@owlstalk]

6 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said:

 

You think he wont have received any abuse at all from our 'fans' on social media?

I don't know mate

Knowing the folk on Twitter I'd say it's highly likely

 

 

[Owls2k]

7 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said:

 

Don't know what people expect him to say?   

 

 

As the owner and leader of the club I'd have expected him to communicate with everyone associated with the club after the deduction addressing the importance of this season, a rallying call if you will. This is the first time we have ever been docked points and this season is critical for the club and also himself. 

 

With an appeal ongoing I would not have expected him to go into too many details about the case itself or even hint at guilt that his actions caused it (even though they have). However, a message of reassurance from him would help galvanise the players, staff and fans in this critical season. He could also combine it with an update on the goings on during COVID-19 by also highlighting the undoubtably positive things he's done at the club during it (e.g. topping up furlough pay). But instead we hear nothing which only leads to hearsay (not the band), confusion and legitimate questions. I'm no P.R. expert but it seems like an obvious misstep. 

 

 

 

[@owlstalk]

4 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

 

Fans shouldn't stand down on this issue. Why should we? 

What issue? 

 

[Daizan10]

Its never wrong to ask the question. 

[Mike Hunt]

I  am sure the new fans group will be onto this 

Let’s see if they get a response. 
 

But as Neil said we really should be having a statement from the Chairman about our immediate future and his plans 

[parajack]

3 hours ago, mattitheowl said:

The problem isn't discussion or questioning, it's that people instantly form an opinion one way or another based on absolutely zero knowledge of the situation.  I'd be surprised if there were more than 10 people on this site who truly understood how the mechanics of something like this works, let alone the specifics in the case at hand.

Doesn't matter about how the 'mechanics' work,or dont work(can be years,even decades later,when this happens:eg  tax man chasing freelancers working in the media,or 'legal'ish tax avoidance schemes,that are investigated and found to be less so....many examples..) The individuals involved in such paid a high price....\the 'advisers'? less so......

There is at least 1 example of a Club losing their ground,....Even if such things are done with the best of intentions they can,and do,go wrong,or are found wanting by others...(EFL?) as an example....

I(and others) worry that this is not the way we want our clubs finances to be allegedly run......

[vulva]

The new fans group ought to have a meeting in Crookes Club. That’ll learn em. 

[S36 OWL]

2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

What issue? 

 

The issue of this charge on the stadium. Why should we stand down? 

[vulva]

20 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said:

 

OK, RS are reporting about this latest news regarding DC securing loans against Hillsborough....I get that, they're reporting, not an issue.

 

I listen to FH regularly when it's on during my drive home from work.

 

I can categorically say right here that RS, on any platform...show...whatever...have never mentioned the huge loans that the pigs have taken out against the sty.

 

There is a massively disproportionate amount of sensationalism when it's Wednesday but literally nowt when it's the pigs!!?!

 

It isn't about paranoia...

 

It is paranoia. Do you honestly think the local media get together and decide to spread bad news about us, and nice fluffy stories about United?

 

Absolute nonsense and it could just be that the perceived negativity about us is simply a reflection of where we are as a club. We’ve been a shambles for 2 or 3 years in reality. 
 

The United stories are more positive as they’ve gone from League 1 to the Premier League in 5 years with a brilliant manager and very innovative football. 

[mattitheowl]

3 minutes ago, parajack said:

Doesn't matter about how the 'mechanics' work,or dont work(can be years,even decades later,when this happens:eg  tax man chasing freelancers working in the media,or 'legal'ish tax avoidance schemes,that are investigated and found to be less so....many examples..) The individuals involved in such paid a high price....\the 'advisers'? less so......

There is at least 1 example of a Club losing their ground,....Even if such things are done with the best of intentions they can,and do,go wrong,or are found wanting by others...(EFL?) as an example....

I(and others) worry that this is not the way we want our clubs finances to be allegedly run......

 

Which is fine and can't really be questioned.  But you could hold up literally every decision made at the club and put forward a similar argument.  

 

It this is a routine transaction that tens of clubs (or other businesses) have done with no issues then I'm less concerned.  Obviously any borrowing of money can be risky, but ultimately so is being owned by one guy who controls the purse strings.

[@owlstalk]

Just now, vulva said:

It is paranoia. Do you honestly think the local media get together and decide to spread bad news about us, and nice fluffy stories about United?

 

Absolute nonsense and it could just be that the perceived negativity about us is simply a reflection of where we are as a club. We’ve been a shambles for 2 or 3 years in reality. 
 

The United stories are more positive as they’ve gone from League 1 to the Premier League in 5 years with a brilliant manager and very innovative football. 

Exactly

But it's easier for some folk to just post the media are out to get us or pundits are stirring the pot etc 

And 99.99999% of the time they've not even thought about it before posting that - they just do so to fit into the cool kids club and because they've seen other people do it

It's the singlemost pathetic trait in recent years amongst some Wednesday fans..

Makes them (and as a result Wednesday fans in general) look absolute paranoid crybaby idiots

[@owlstalk]

5 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

The issue of this charge on the stadium. Why should we stand down? 

Because it's a standard business transaction mate

 

You shouldn't be 'standing down' 

You should never have stood up in the first place

It's a massive non-issue

[S36 OWL]

Just now, @owlstalk said:

Because it's a standard business transaction mate

 

You shouldn't be 'standing down' 

You should never have stood up in the first place

It's a massive non-issue

 

That's your opinion  which you are entitled to of course. Mine is this stinks to high heaven. 

[Mike Hunt]

2 minutes ago, vulva said:

It is paranoia. Do you honestly think the local media get together and decide to spread bad news about us, and nice fluffy stories about United?

 

Absolute nonsense and it could just be that the perceived negativity about us is simply a reflection of where we are as a club. We’ve been a shambles for 2 or 3 years in reality. 
 

The United stories are more positive as they’ve gone from League 1 to the Premier League in 5 years with a brilliant manager and very innovative football. 

And all the Poundland prince as some call him has done is pay half of the losses every year then 5m more to buy out McCabe lock stock and barrel 

 

He played an absolute blinder 

[room0035]

2 hours ago, The_Limit_Owl said:

 

Is it really??   I don't think it's that at all.

 

People have made their mind up to hate DC, why didn't they hate MM?   

You make you mind up about a person based on the information available to you.

 

Milan bought a club that was hours away from going into administration, he provided funds and also leadership and got us first promoted then stabilized us in the league above, he did this by his own business acumen and his experience of working within football.

 

DC came in the first thing he did was sack the manager, the management team and all of the coaches, he replaced most of the manager within SWFC within 6 months (I know this as I used to deal with the IT manager for quite a few years until he left) and every decision that was made and probably still is has to be signed off by him. You might be able to do this with a one man band company but you cannot do this with a football team. No bills got paid without DC signing the cheques.

 

We got to the play off and fail to get promotion, but from that point on wards there has been no financial plan in place, managers have come and gone each with a different idea each ultimately failing, as they have not been financially backed because of the club horrendous recruitment in the Carlos era, 4 years later we are still lumbered with players we cannot afford.

 

In this time fans have been forced to pay 50% more for tickets, many do not know or cannot afford to attend regularly, the merchandise was brought in house to maximise income for the club but all that seems to have happened, is once again the fans pay more for the same product. 

 

Without going into too much details the difference between Milan and DC because there are so many. One ran the club as a football club that valued the fans and the community as a whole and one runs the club, very very badly where fans are viewed as a source of income nothing more.

 

If you feel this is me being harsh on DC, he has once again proved this point, with the breaking news that has many owls worried what this means for our club those in charge have made any attempt to put the fans minds at ease. No the stance is simple no comment.

 

I can guarantee if this was Milan in charge we would have had a chairman statement by now as people worries are heightened with what is happening in the wider world.

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, room0035 said:

You make you mind up about a person based on the information available to you.

 

Milan bought a club that was hours away from going into administration, he provided funds and also leadership and got us first promoted then stabilized us in the league above, he did this by his own business acumen and his experience of working within football.

 

DC came in the first thing he did was sack the manager, the management team and all of the coaches, he replaced most of the manager within SWFC within 6 months (I know this as I used to deal with the IT manager for quite a few years until he left) and every decision that was made and probably still is has to be signed off by him. You might be able to do this with a one man band company but you cannot do this with a football team. No bills got paid without DC signing the cheques.

 

We got to the play off and fail to get promotion, but from that point on wards there has been no financial plan in place, managers have come and gone each with a different idea each ultimately failing, as they have not been financially backed because of the club horrendous recruitment in the Carlos era, 4 years later we are still lumbered with players we cannot afford.

 

In this time fans have been forced to pay 50% more for tickets, many do not know or cannot afford to attend regularly, the merchandise was brought in house to maximise income for the club but all that seems to have happened, is once again the fans pay more for the same product. 

 

Without going into too much details the difference between Milan and DC because there are so many. One ran the club as a football club that valued the fans and the community as a whole and one runs the club, very very badly where fans are viewed as a source of income nothing more.

 

If you feel this is me being harsh on DC, he has once again proved this point, with the breaking news that has many owls worried what this means for our club those in charge have made any attempt to put the fans minds at ease. No the stance is simple no comment.

 

I can guarantee if this was Milan in charge we would have had a chairman statement by now as people worries are heightened with what is happening in the wider world.

The things that Chairmen say to fans to make them feel better is just fluffy made up nonsense that they don't really believe/mean anyway mate